Title safe for widesceen

I am doing a show in widescreen now for the first time and was wondering if I should still use the title safe for the top and bottom. very stupid ? just wanted to know

Yes indeed. Only in the rarest of instances will a TV - even a 16:9 HD one - not use overscan to crop out some of the image.
Even if you are talking about shooting/editing in 16:9 but delivering a letterboxed (in 4:3) version for TV (so that there is no danger of overscan cropping from the top/bottom), it's still a good idea not to have text get too close to the edge.

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Title Safe for video..

So I just looked at a sample of my project on a TV and its cut off. What I'm doing now is exporting, re importing to FCE, turning on title safe, and scaling the entire video down to that first border (in between the 2 lines). Will that solve the problem or will it give me a black line around the video on a TV?
To illustrate what I'm talking about: If this is a segment of title safe (the tv safe and title safe lines)
| v | + | v | The v is where I'm scaling my video boarder to.

The approach is correct, but the amount of scaling is very dependent on the TV. If you scale it to the second internal blue rectangle in the canvas (title safe) for sure you'll also have a black border around your video. In my experience it is sufficient to think of a rectangle slightly larger than the larger rectangle. But as I said it depends on the TV.
In my opinion the best approach is to avoid titles to exceed the title safe area, and important action to be close to the borders.
If you can connect your Mac to your TV using firewire (and a A/D converter - your camcorder might be used for that), you may monitor the effect of scaling directly on the TV during editing.
Piero

Action/Title Safe Areas

I am having problems setting up guides for safe areas and I wondered if
anyone else had some advice or tips.
In the Preferences under Grids & Guides the Action Safe and Title Safe are
preset to 10% and 20% respectively. But this relates to the size of the
comp, I am working in HD so my comp is 1920 x 1080 and the Title/Action safe
guides are set proportional to that. However in reality I have to set my
Title Safe area to be Title Safe for 4:3 within a 16:9 HD comp for
international sales to countries still using 4:3 TV.
If I change the value for the Title Safe area in the Preferences to say 30%
to show a guide closer to the 4:3 safe area I need to adhere to it changes
BOTH the width and the height so the width might be accurate but the height
is way out. On top of that I also have to work with 14:9 Title Safe areas
for some projects too so I'd like to see those.
I can drag guidelines to sit over the correct areas but this a pain as the
guides are just for each individual comp not all the nested comps I work
with when making the animation so I have to make them anew for every comp
and project to make sure text is safe, I can't just click on the Action/Safe
when I want to see it.
I downloaded a Photoshop comp from the BBC in the UK and have been importing
that as an overlay to check my Title safe but I really wanted to know if I
am missing something. Avid Media Composer for example shows guides for
widescreen comps 14:9 Action Safe, 14:9 Title Safe, 4:3 Action Safe and 4:3
Title Safe, is there nothing I can do in After Effects to have the guides
permanently set to multiple safe areas or even just the correct height and
width for 4:3 safe within a 16:9 comp?
Thanks in advance.
BBC links if anyone is interested:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/tvbranding/picturesize.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/tvbranding/artwork1.shtml

Many thanks for those links silversurfer. When I compare them to the ones I
got from the BBC they don't match up though; your Action Safe is their 3:4
picture area and your Title Safe is wider than their Action Safe. This is
the other issue I have run into, that different broadcasters have different
specifications.
The guides the BBC give as safe margins for 4:3 Title Safe within a 16:9
widescreen frame are 10% top and bottom and 20.5% left and right. Doing the
math for an HD 16:9 frame makes a box 1132 pixels wide by 864 high with the
margins set at 394px left, 1526px right, 108px bottom and 972px top. (Their
4:3 Action Safe is 5% top and bottom and 17% left and right.)
It would be great in CS4 to be able to set templates that can quickly be
called up across comps and projects, the single percentage option they have
right now for both width and height is pretty useless. I have been importing
a Photoshop template but it's an inelegant kludge.
I was hoping I was being dumb and had missed a vital feature, but it seems
not! :-(

Is "Title Safe" Safe?

Having just finished a dance show DVD which my kids were in, I gave it to them to do quality control, order correction, spelling, etc. They chucked it at the DVD player and immediately pressed the blue button till the picture filled the screen, so my titles at the end were less than how I planned.
My question is "How relevant is Title Safe today"? Do editors do title safe for HD even though their work may well be shown on 4:3 or any other ratio and visa versa?

There are multiple guidelines for where titles are placed. Generally today's TVs show more picture than the sets of old.
If I understand you question correctly, your source video is 16:9 HD. You placed your titles within title safe on a 16:9 display, but your kids blow the picture up upon viewing. Esentially doing a center extraction. The 16:9 title safe guides are not designed to ensure that your titles stay within a 4:3 center extracted picture. They only ensure that on a 16:9 display, or in a letterbox, your titles will be within the active picture area of a monitor. If you need to keep titles within a 4:3 safe area on 16:9 material, then you need to place custom guides over your video when you place titles.
Title safe is extremely relevant today, but you need to know what your final delivery specs are. For those of us who deliver shows to broadcast and cable nets we are given delivery specs before we even start editing. So we know going in if the program will be shown letterboxed or center extracted when it hits the air. This determines where and how titles will be placed.

4:3 title safe zone overlay for 16:9 anamorphic DV PAL timeline?

Hey guys,
I'm working on a widescreen TVC, and I need to be sure that the titles are safe for 4:3. Is there a way to bring up 4:3 safe zones on a 16:9 DV PAL Anamorphic timeline? Or will I need to design an overlay in Photoshop?
Pete

Do you have FCP 7? Those are built in. Although they are notches, not full lines. If not...well, even if so, you can use these. They are GREAT! I use them. Andy's Guides:
http://web.mac.com/andymees/Freeand_Easy/main/Entries/2008/1/29_Andy’sGuides.html
Shane

Crop marks for Center Cut in Title Safe?

I have recently picked up Premiere Pro 5.5 after the whole Final Cut Pro X fiasco, and a feature I loved and used all the time in Final Cut Pro 7 which was missing in Final Cut Pro X was crop marks for Center Cut in the title safe. I often have to do HD Projects that are broadcast on 4:3 TV center cut, so you need to make all the graphics for the center cut for SD, and then leave safe space for the HD version.
From what I can see I don't see these marks in Premiere Pro 5.5. Is there a place for feature requests for Premiere Pro, so I can put in a request as this is something that is really necessary in our production workflow.

Well, PrPro's Titler has the Center Align for both Vertical & Horizontal, but for guides, etc., it is lacking.
I use the tips in this ARTICLE to create alignment guides, as per my needs.
I have been filing Feature Requests for years, and have also asked for many of the element Alignment functions from PS.
Good luck,
Hunt
PS - I also create custom guides/grids for PiP, where I need to match the Scale & Position for the PiP footage.
PPS - I assume that you have looked at Title & Action Safe marks, and they just do not do it for what you need.

Title Safe Overlays for just TV or Web also?

Do the title safe overlays need to be viewed only when editing video intended for broadcast TV or should they also be used when editing web video?
Thanks.

Those are just for TV...the web shows the entire frame.
Shane

Flag for overriding TV zoom function? Or title-safe settings for zoomed video...

Here's the problem: I've got SD spots with correctly set up title-safe graphics. However, I keep seeing the spots playing on HD TV's where the picture has been set to zoom/stretch, and consequently the title graphics are stretching off-screen.
So the question's actually a two-parter: Is there a flag I can set in my video that will override an HD set's zoom function and force my spots to play unstretched on these TV's? Or (part two), what graphics boundary settings would I have to use to keep my title graphics on-screen even it the video is zoomed?
Regarding part two, yeah, I could experiment and find out the settings that will work, but I figure someone's run into this before and has an answer, which would save me a bunch of time...
Thanks in advance...

Is there a flag I can set in my video that will override an HD set's zoom function
Thank God, no! It's bad enough that disk authors can take away our right to skip FBI warnings and all the other BS on a DVD before we actually get to the movie.

Using 4:3 title safe while in widescreen project.

I work for a news network and often times, we'll mix standard definition video with HD content. Is there a way to get the title safe to 4:3 while in the widescreen HD project? Whenever I choose title safe, it comes up as widescreen and I can't change it anywhere. If this isn't available in the current version of FCP, can it be made one please!?

Unfortunatly, FCP can't show a 4:3 title/action safe on a 16:9 frame.
The only work-around is to make one yourself in photoshop and plonk it over your clips when needed... not ideal, but does the job.

TV and title safe .... exporting???

Hi
I'm exporting a clip to post to my blog and I've moved a few shots up and they are all in safe title and TV safe BUT when they export you can see what's underneath the clip????? That should not be happening?
Please help?
Thanks

To mirror what Jim said, because you don't seem to understand...
What you see on your monitor is EXACTLY what you will see if you export a QT movie to play on your computer. You see EVERYTHING. TVs tend to cut off some of this picture, due to the molding that holds the TV screen in place...plastic or metal covers a little of the front of the tube, thus blocking some of the image. Some TV screens were covered more than others...so TV safe takes into account the WORSE it could be. That any action inside that box is guaranteed to be seen. Title safe goes in a bit further so that the titles aren't on the edge of the screen.
Again, if you export for the web, this is moot...you get the entire image.
Shane

Title Safe Modification

I am wondering, is there a way to change the perameters for the Title Safe image that you can toggle on and off? I'd love to have cinemascope title safe bars available. In the past, I've just created a 1920x1080 photoshop document, with black bars at the top and bottom, and just put that above all my video during editing. When exporting, I just crop it out, something like 14%... but I'm wondering if there's a more efficient way to do this DURING the editing process, rather than having to place the PS document over all the video on a hovering video timeline. Any thoughts? I've Googled around, but didn't see anything that immediately popped out as a solution, other than to just crop during export. But what I'm trying to do is have an established guideline during editing, so that I can properly place the video and adjust to match eyelines and all that. Thanks for your thoughts!

Thank you very much. That's exactly what I needed.
Good news, and thank you for posting the setting for Cinemascope too.
If that does it for you, perhaps read over this article: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1058744?tstart=0
Good luck,
Hunt

Using 4:3 guides and title safe in 16:9 sequence.

Does anyone know if its possible to apply 4:3 guides and title safe to a 16:9 timeline sequence?
thanks

I'm not aware of being able to do it within the programme with regards using the canvas/viewer guides but it wouldn't take much to knock one up using opaque blocks in a shape generator and then just having those as the uppermost layer in your sequence for checking. You could also make a PSD file with lines on a transparent background in photoshop and employ the same way.
I take it your creating graphics etc as shot material would have hopefully taken this into consideration at the time of filming!

4:3 title safe on 1920x1080

Hi all
How do I call up a 4x3 grid so I can do titles within 4x3 title safe, on a 1920x1080 timeline ?
thank in advance
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Cheers James.
rottendotapple, if you are using FCP 7x then you will see tick marks in the 16:9 guides ... those tick marks are there to indicate the 4:3 title and action safe marks, so if you just need a simple indicator then that'll probably suffice. If you need something more then you can try my Safe Guides generator, or have a look about for some others, like DH_WideSafe from Digital Heaven or maybe just create an overlay guide in Photoshop (or download something to the same effect). Lots out there.
Best
Andy

4:3 title safe protect grid in HD project

I have been searching and flipping on tabs looking for an option for title safe settings.
I'm working on an HD project and want the title safe grid to come up as a 4:3 safe protect zone.
can i change the title safe settings in an HD project to do this?

http://www.digital-heaven.co.uk/dh_widesafe

TV safe, Title Safe, Broadcast Safe / all other safety measures...

I edit a simple slideshow, two songs and pictures in a DV NTSC 32 Anamorphic Sequence... I burn it to a DVD and looks great on a projector hooked up to a computer, and of course looks great ON a computer... other than slight interlace "waving."
I have the Title Safe checked in the Canvas options, and my type barely overhangs the inner line. On the TV, it cuts off a whole letter on both sides! Am a using the junkiest DVD player and TV combo ever? or am I just not understanding this TV Safe lines.
Clarification... I want a NTSC to monitor playback, but that just isn't an option right now. I KNOW how much I would love it, it's just that I don't have one sitting here right now hooked up. very sad.
What do I need to know about getting a movie off my FCE platform onto a DVD player and TV...
thanks for the replies. great help.

Your issue is most likely related to overscan being out of spec. The overscan is TV related and specified. It should be only relevant for CRT or projection TV's. The borders drawn on the canvas only relate to the TV standards and specifications. There should be no overscan issues with LCD and plasma TVs. The TV is probably out of alignment or maybe an old/poorly designed CRT set with high voltage power supply out of control. Projection TV's usually have adjustments that can bring them into spec either mechanically or electrically. If the TV has a poor power supply, the overscan will vary with line voltage. Your DVD is most likely o.k. Overscan was actually desirable on TV's, because people do not like black borders around the picture. As they add text (titles, subtitles, etc.) the overscan needs to be controlled. It gets even worse if text is added from computers. More modern sets from reputable manufacturers are pretty strictly controlled to have overscan, but not too much of it.
Here is a reference:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscan
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