Titles - "fuzzy" credit roll - what to do?? CS4 issue?

I am rolling 70 names in 45 seconds for End Credits using the Titling feature. Problem is they are really quite blurred! I have exported to test DVD reproduction but same visual nasty. (Using TimesNewRoman but have experimented with many sans serif fonts also - same problem.) Have never had problems before with slow rolls and fewer names. Compression is all set at max render possibilities. Am running a 64 bit Xeon 5520 with much RAM but have tried the same titling with Premiere on a 32 bit machine - same problem. Also - before exporting and with all viewing options maxed in PPro, the titles scroll with blur but when stopped the blurring immediately snaps back into focus. It seems like PPro doesn't can't handle the speed of the scrolling with titles. The slower the titles scroll the less the blur etc.
Any insights or suggestions gratfully received. This is really making my deadline seem hard to manage. Maybe I need a plug-in?
Thanks for reading - Bo

Another way to approach this would be if you could let me know what settings could be used in order to avoid the problem.
Too many to list.
I have tried many settings permutations
That statement is always kind of a red flag to me. It generally says "I don't know what the hell I'm doing, so I'll try a bunch of different things". The problem with that approach is it introduces far too many variables into the mix. A real editor knows what he is starting out with, and where he is going to end up. He knows there are specific steps and settings that will get him from A to Z, and he uses only those to make things work.
So I guess we have to take another step back and ask, what are you starting out with as far as media (besides the title, as generaly speaking there are no credits without first seeing a video) - DV, HDV, DVCPRO HD, screen capture, something downloaded from the Internet, something else entirely?
And where do you intend to end up with this - DVD, Blu-ray, iPod, web site, computer playback, all of the above?
Be precise with your answers.

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