To activate costing based COPA while Account basedCOPA activated previously
Dear all,
I have a client which currently using Account-based COPA which activated 5 years ago. Due to requirement to analyse production variance by variance categories, costing-based COPA needs to be activated.
Can anyone tell me whether is it possible to activate costing-based COPA in a system which have Account based COPA activated 5 years ago. If yes, is there any guiding SAP notes on doing this. As I would like to know the impact of such activations
Thanks & regards,
-Alice-
Dear,
You can activate costing based COPA, for this use KEA0 and select your operating concern and select costing based COPA.
Then normal steps are required to be maintained like characteristic and value fields creation and all. Please refer the documents available online.
Regards,
Chintan Joshi.
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(courtesy: help.sap.com)
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