Tone control button in Library module

The tone control buttons in the library module--does anyone use them? I find them pretty worthless. If I had sliders, however, I'd really like to do some quick adjustments. So, if you could please make these controls more useful that would be great. Thanks.

You mean the Quick Develop? Yes, they are very useful particularly when doing rough edits of images whose base tone don't match. You can use QD in Library as well as Survey mode to get images closer together. Also note that unlike Develop, QD has the ability to do relative adjustments to the images. So, regardless of the settings, you can lighten/darken images at the same time. You can also adjust not only raw, but JPEGs and TIFFs at the same time. BTW, if you hover over the controls, the tool tips tell what the adjustment will be per click. Very useful if you know how to use it.

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dennis4g1 wrote:
After having applied some changes in the develop module when I switch back to the library module I am experiencing a sever foreground tonal change? I can add that the foreground in this particular photo had a grad filter applied. The tone shifts from a cool blue to a purple?
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MODULE LIBRARY:
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I already tried to delete the cache, but does not change anything, and I use 1:1 previews, you have no idea how to fix my problem?

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Ah, now I see the rightside of that screenshot, with, as you say, sharpening 150 and NR 0. That's a combo it would never even occur to me to use, not in a hundred years...
Anyway, I tried this with an ISO 1250 shot, but couldn't see any differences anywhere. But maybe you need to go higher.
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http://laurashoe.com/2011/08/21/sharpening-in-lightroom-part-one-overview-and-capture-shar pening/
http://laurashoe.com/2011/09/27/creative-sharpening-in-lightroom-sharpen-eyes/
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- highlights: adjusts light tones most, midtones and lightest tones next most...
- whites: adjusts lightest tones most, light tones next most, midtones next most...
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Except they don't really do what's suggested by that zone graph:
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- shadow slider hits a midtone wall.
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- highlights hits a midtone wall.
- whites adjusts midtones and dark tones more than highlights slider.
Is it possible to get exactly what you want with this scheme? - yes.
Is it tricky as he|| - yes.
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