Touch age and WMA

Hi, I have a couple of questions,
) How old is the touch? I mean when was it released and is support for it (not as in tech support but firmwares etc.) going to continue in the future? Were there different generations of it's like the ipod, and how do i know what one i have.
2) also, i know this is definately not a creative related question but MS has been no help and it is music related. I currently rip my music to WMA VBR in WMP 0. Does anyone else do this? What I have noticed is that I select the option for the player to rip between 85kbps and 45kbps yet once it is done my files are almost always ripped at higher bitrates like 60 and even through to 26kb
ps.
I have emailed MS but the rep i got (who i believe does not have english as a first language) doesnt seem able to explain it properly after several attempts even. I am just curious whether it is meant to be like that. Also, would someone explain "quality 50" or "quality 75" and -pass 2-pass VBR and how i can change WMP 0 to 2-pass VBR.
Regards,
Nick

Not sure how old the zen touch is, but I've seen it around for about a year now. There are no earlier makes of the 'zen touch' but the zen hard disk jukebox range of mp3 players have been around for some time, like the original zen, zen nx, zen xtra and finally the zen touch. At the moment creative are focusing on the zen micro, but they've mentioned on several occasions that they will continue development for a new zen touch firmware release.
I've tried using the WMA9 encoder through dbpoweramp music converter several times and have found that the stated VBR bitrate range isn't entirely correct. Not sure as to why this happens but you could try to use the quality presets as they seem to give better results. As you mentioned these are the "quality 50" and "quality 75" settings. The highest is "quality 98". These are optimised VBR bitrate settings. The lower the quality number the lower the average bitrate. I've tried "quality 75" and it sounds pretty transparent to me, very close to cd-quality.
I think 2-pass VBR mode basically scans the music initially to optimise the encoding process and optimal bitrate, after which it encodes the music. I haven't tried it but you could try the link below for VBR 2-pass WMA9 encoding:
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Hope this helps! Message Edited by titaniumx3 on 03-2-2005 07:55 AM

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