Touch: Wont turn off: Need to recover due to "Firmware Probl

Hi all.
I have a 40gb Touch that just got the Firmware Problem screen. So, I start looking around here and see about recovery steps, but can't get the player to turn off. Try holding down the power button, nothing. The player turns off while the paperclip is inserted for a reset, but restarts when clip is removed. Holding down "Play" has no effect either, so no way to access the recovery screen. Either the "Firmware Problem" screen shows up, or it freezes on the "Zen Touch" screen when it restarts. I am worried about just letting the battery die out to get it to turn off, but I don't know what else to do.
Anyone have any ideas?
BTW, docking has no effect either. Thanks in advance!
Joe

vermillion.sun the poster included in their initial problem description " with NO home button ".
Another reply included :I had the same problem… but I solved it by plugging the iPod in. Then I waited about 30 min and suddenly it turned on. Maybe it will work in your case…".
Did you read the initial post or look at the photo in his subsequent reply that shows there is no Home button?
vermillion.sun wrote:
Thank you ELITE Viper for creating this post; I received an iPod touch (new gen) and have had it working for a few days until today where, like yourself, I couldn't power it on. Now, I know the machine works because I was using it at work yesterday AND it had 50-60% battery left so I KNOW that wasn't an issue. I've gel the power button down but I just didn't know what else to try…until reading this post.
1. I'll hold the power and home buttons down until I see the apple logo appear.
2. I'll leave it plugged into the mains to see if that turns it back on.
Failing both attempts, can anybody suggest any other techniques before i directly contact apple or visit a store?

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