TouchUp Reading Order Tool - invisible Text

Last time I used the TouchUp Reading Order tool (in order to mark out columns of text to copy into a spreadsheet) in November, it worked with no problems. However, when I do this using Acrobat 9.3.0 the text below the first line disappears once I select the content type. The text is still there and I can select it, but it is not visible, even if the page structure is cleared.
Can anyone else reproduce this or am I doing something odd?
J

The "highlight" box/boxes provided by TORU display a high level overview of the tagged PDF's Block Level Structure Elements (BLSE) rather than an element ("tag") by element highlight.
As to establishing a proper "order" - you want to be working out of the Tags panel.
Reliance on TORU to establish a proper tag tree having proper PDF tag semantics can often leave one with a really gobbered PDF.
Be well...

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Be well...
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Be well...

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s your document authored in InDesign? If so, the following may be useful.
"Accessible Content Workflow with Adobe InDesign CS4 and Acrobat 9"
http://w1000.mv.us.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=list&type=ondemand_seminar&loc= en_us
Have your Adobe ID in hand. Tug on the link, sign in with your Adobe ID.
Page opens telling you that the Adobe Acrobat Connect Pro Add-in is opening the meeting room (launch of the recording)
Recording appears in a separate window. If add-in not installed, dialog present to let you install it.
Ancilliary documentation.
http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/products/indesign/
Link to use: "Creating Accessible PDF Documents with Adobe InDesign CS4 (PDF, 292k)"
http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/pdfs/accessibledocswithindesignCS4.pdf
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