TouchUp Reading Order tool moves or just deletes page content!?

Using Acrobat X to make documents 508 compliant. I've had a number of issues when trying to tag a figure, it ends up moving the figure to a different page or deleting it altogether. Also I've has issues when trying to adjust the reading order, content is moved or deleted.
How can adjusting structure completely delete content? Really bad bug. Is anyone else seeing this? Thanks.

Thank you for your comment. However I do not think this is a workable solution.
My structure in the tags panel is ordered correctly, and the document exported from inDesign is tagged and ordered correctly. However, when I look at the reading order tab the reading order is wrong. I need to use the reading order tab to reorganize the order in which items are read by screen readers (this is as according to Adobe training, e.g. http://tv.adobe.com/watch/accessibility-adobe/preparing-indesign-files-for-accessibility/). Is there another tool that will allow me to organize the reading/tab order (without deleting some of the content in my tables)?
I am also having the additional problem that sometimes, not always, when I use the reading order panel to reorganize reading order, my tables lose their tagging as tables - I am worried that this will mean screen readers will not recognize the data as a table and will not read it accordingly (by header cell and then content cell).
Can you provide any help?
Thank you.

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