Tracking conditional text changes with FRAMEMAKER 8.0

How do can we track the change of conditional text applied to a given paragraph?
We are using FRAMEMAKER 8.0
Thank you in advance for your help

If you wish to track any changes solely based on applying or removing conditional tags instead of content, then unfortunately FM's tracking mechanisms (Track Changes or Change bars) will not show any of these.
One way would be to version the documents and then perhaps try using FM's document compare feature (either with the conditions applied or not - I'm not certain if this will show changes in applied conditional tags either, so you may need to actually apply your conditions and then compare documents).

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Can't select more than ONE conditional text tag in FrameMaker 10?

Hi, I work with lots and lots of Conditional Text (CT) tags in FrameMaker. We moved to v10, and now I can't select more than ONE CT tag at a time---this means when I need to apply 10 CT tags to one item, I have to select the item, click one tag, click In, and then click Apply---3 clicks, 10 separate times = 30 clicks! (I used to be able to select the item, select all the CT tags I wanted applied into the In box, and then click Apply.) This is very frustrating. I've tried to click all the Ctrl, Shift, and Alt keys separately and then try and select more than one tag, but nothing works. Please help---this is going to be a nightmare for me if this can't work!
Please help and show me that I can add more than one tag to an item at a time. Thanks so much!!!

Unfortunately, this capabiliy wasn't carried over to the Conditional Text pod when the new interface design was created. You're stuck selecting the tags one at a time and then applying a condition. It's a bit faster if you select the conditions sequentially, then you have fewer clicks for applying subsequent tags to the same content.
I fully agree that this sucks.
Please fill in a bug report and a wish list item at: FrameMaker Bugs & Wish List
You can also add/vent to the following thread (that is monitored by Adobe):
Seeking inputs on desired features in FrameMaker

Tracking your text changes

Hello. When editing text in Pages, is it possible to show how I have altered something (a word or sentence) with a notes mode or Track Changes or somesuch?
Much thanks.

kim,
Welcome to Apple discussions.
That feature exists in the new Pages 3 (part of iWork '08) but not in any of the previous versions of Pages.
-Dennis

Question on conditional text design

I have a relatively large book (230 pages) with dozens of tables and 100's of graphics. I need 4 versions of this book. One for each grade level (3) and one if content for all 3 grades is sold as a "master course." Other than implementing the conditional text, the book is ready to go. I have tried a couple different ways to approach the tables conditionally (some of which are in Text Frames, some just anchored to a page ) but I don't get very far. Applying the Conditional Text tags ( with different colors and markers for each)seems to make it crash (i.e. almost duplicatable unlike the "normal" 3-4 crashes I experience on a daily basis the last month that are just random). Sidenote: I was very happy to see that they are going to fix the book printing crash...
Cross reference markers are involved in these conditional sections, and I have my suspicions that they are a root culprit of my other crash problems, but then FM crashed when applying conditional text to a section that *didn't* have a x-ref, so I don't know what to think.
I need to get this out by Monday. So my question is this, if I need 4 tables in a page (one for each version) am I better off just making 4 copies of the book and compiling that way? I sold the client on FM mostly because of the ability to compile multiple docs from one base book..so I really hate to have 4 copies when I give her the source. I know you can highlight individual rows in a table for a version (so I could make one really big table for 3 of the versions and just choose different rows), but this is a thing that seems almost certain to make it crash as well. And the master tables have an additional column as well as a row so I would still need 2 tables per doc if I could get the conditionals to quit crashing. Is there some better way to "design" this that an experienced FMer could suggest? Some custom utility that works?
Just in case someone asks this:
System Config
FM 11
new install in August, not upgraded
Files are all new and native to FM11
Windows 7-64 bit
20 gig of memory
2 TB drive - local C:/
Thanks for any suggestions on this.

I think you picked the wrong thread - this one deals with importing or linking FM content into RoboHelp with the TCS.
I haven't heard of anybody talking about conditional text crashing their FM11 - only issues with Track Changes and Conditions. Have you been reporting these crashes to Adobe Support? Have you submitted your crash logs? Can you reproduce the crashing with a sample book or is it only with this project? Have you tried MIF-washing your content?

Transport Standard Text Changes

i have done some changes for the standard text in PB60.
   but those changes are not transported in to production
   i used
RSTXTRAN
program to transport changes
   after selecting relevant Object(TEXT,Z_JKH_LOA_GROUP,ST,E) -> selected 'Transfer texts to correction
   request' & then assigned relevant Transport Request to next step
   Some blogs says this is the way to do this.......... but it is not working somehow
   Can anybody help me to solve this issue
   thanx!!!!!

Hi Waruna,
You can transport the standard text changes with a new transport request using SE01.
In the new transport request provide the details as follows.
PgmID as R3TR
Obj as TEXT
Object nam as TEXT,Standard text name,Text id,Language.    Example: TEXT,ZSTTEXT,ST,E
After providing these details Save the CTS and release to transport.
This will deffinately solves your problem.
Feel free to rise if you have any queries on this.
Regards,
SB.
Edited by: sunil bodda on Feb 24, 2009 2:29 PM

How do you copy and paste track changes material in Pages from one point in a document to another and keep both the old text along with the track changed thus far in the new pasted location?

Depending on whether track changes is on/paused, Pages thinks the pasted material is either all new and thus highlights it as a big track change or just copies the old material along with the edits as plain text so that I cannot see my track changes. I need to be able to copy and paste in the same document and still be able to see the older text along with the changes to certain sections thus far. Is this possible? I need a step-by-step "talk to me like I'm five" instructional if what I would like can be done.
Thanks for any help!
Message was edited by: C.M.W.

What version of Pages?
What OS, iOS or OSX?
Are you sure you have the Table selected and not a cell or just contents?
Peter

(FM8p277) Crashes when saving first doc in book after changing conditional text display

That was a mouthful :-)
Okay, this happens with any of the books that I work on --- it never happened with Frame 7.
I have a book containing several documents.
The documents contain several conditional text segments.
Start new Framemaker session, open book, open all documents.
Change conditional text display (from Show All to Show Selected, or vice-versa).
From the book, choose Save All (or from the *first* document, choose Save). The following text appears in a 'FrameMaker dialog': "File <filename of first document>.fm has changed on the disk since you last opened or saved it. Someone else has probably modified the file. Do you want to save it anyway?
Click OK. All of the files save properly. (If I had clicked Cancel, the first file would be skipped and all other files would save.)
Change conditional text display again (note: this could even be for a different book at this point, I believe, but will have to verify).
(Repeat step 3): The same text appears again in the dialog.
Click OK. FrameMaker crashes while trying to save the first file. (If I had clicked Cancel, the first file would be skipped and all other files would save. However, if I attempt to save the first file afterward, FrameMaker still crashes.)
Anybody have any insight into this? Am I the only one this happens to? Argh :-)
Thanks.

Sorry, the only answers I got were on the forum and nothing worked
That being said, at least now I know I'm not crazy! (Sorry it had to
happen to you, though.)
As it stands, I've been training myself to make sure that after the
first time I toggle the settings, I do the save, and then make sure to
save all, quit, and restart FrameMaker before I attempt another toggle.
On the odd occasion that I don't do that and get the warning message, I
select Cancel (which lets the rest of the files save), quit, restart,
and then make sure I update the first document appropriately.
All the while cursing and swearing, of course
As an aside... if you find a solution, please let me know about it if
you remember.
Thanks.
John

How to build a document with conditional text

So, I created a condition for a feature that is new to my document and until it's stable, I want to hide that text. No problem. I selected the condition and from the Show/Hide Conditional Text pod, I moved it over to hide. When I created the conditional text, I gave it a background color of gray so I could easily distinguish the conditional text from the non-conditional text. However, if I leave the conditional text visible and go to generate a PDF, the gray background style appears on the conditional text in the PDF. Is there something I'm missing here when it comes to building a PDF? I don't want the style I see in the FM file to appear in the final PDF. I only want that background color as an indicator while I'm editing it. I don't want to have to remember to change the style every time I want to build with the condition visible. Here's a screenshot from the PDF. The bits in gray are what I had applied the condition to.
After selecting the book file, I tried both doing a Save as PDF and a Print Book but both options ended up with my conditional text having the gray background style in the final output.

No, you have misunderstood the problem. Yes, If I want to hide the condition so it doesn't print, that works great. But, once the feature is active (or say I have two customers, one that has the feature and one that doesn't), If I want to print the document with the conditional text visible, then I want the text but I don't want the background style that shows up in FM. The conditional style should only appear in FM, not the generated PDF.
I worked for years with Madcap's Flare and you could set the color of the conditional text in order to distinguish what text was conditioned and with what condition (different colors for different conditions). However, when you generated the output, those colors never showed up. The only thing that displayed was the text that was set to be visible. That's what I was expecting from FM. And the FM tutorials I have taken, that's what they stated should happen. Here's a transcript from the FrameMaker 10 tutorial on Lynda.com:
When we go down to the Conditional Text pod, you'll notice that we have a number of radio buttons for In, Not In, As Is, and then we also have our tags down below. So this is going to be in the US version. So we'll click the US tag. We'll change the radio button to In. You'll see the status change over here to In, and then we'll apply that by clicking the first button in our group of buttons here to apply it. Now, you'll see something change here in the document and if we deselect our text, you can see it's now blue with the overline and that's how we decided the style and color would appear for our US tags. That's not how it's going to print. It's just for our own visual purposes.

Conversion with Conditional Text in Table

I'm taking the first steps in converting Unstructured Frame to Structure. One document is pretty clean except for one issue: my structure breaks around conditional text in tables. (The tables have a f3ew issues oftheir own, but the conditional text seems to compound the problem) I'm not sure how this should be dealt with. The structure tags are shown in the view below.
And here is the Structure View:
Is this something that can be set up with a qualifier, and if so, How? Also, in the conversion map table, Is there any order dependency, as well, concerning where the Conditional Text element appears?

Jane,
As far as I am concerned I do not see anything unexpected. You get dotted lines in the Structure View apparently because the element <B1_Body1> seems not to be allowed in the Element <CELL>. It looks like you worked with the defaults of the Conversion Table. Have you created your own EDD and imported the Element Definitions? Is <B1_Body1> a legal element inside <CELL>?
From my experience the Conditional Text feature works very much in parallel to the element structure. It comes from the format-based world and the structure has no means to handle text conditions. If you want to work with text conditions in the future, you would use »attribute-based condition management« as made possible through the plug-in AXCM or FrameMaker’s built-in feature »Filter by attribute«. There is no built-in method to change text conditions into certain attribute values – but it is possible to automate this move via the FDK or FrameScript or ExtendScript (from FM10).
- Michael

Conditional Text in Table - Problems with row height adjustment

Hey there,
I’m german but I try to express my problem in english as good as I can. Not always easy with the different menu names. Hope you get what I want to say! :-)
As you can see in my attached screenshot, I placed text in a table.
Text height is set to: minimum 1,5 … so it adjusts to the amount of text.
This is what I want - it should adjust the height to the marked/aktivated conditional text.
It always adjusts the hight when I blind out the first line oder lines in between (e.g. line 2+3 of 4).
But if I want to blind out the last line(s), there is a ¶ at the end and a extra blank line with the #.
I know, the # stands for the following hidden Text, but why does it work with the red/green text.
There is also text hidden (green), but the mark # is right after the last word - not in a new line.
Has anyone a solution for this?
Thanks in advance!

That's ok so far. A paragraph sign at the end of a text forces a new line.
To change that do the following:
For every condition you need another condition just for the paragraph sign that comes immediately after the condition. Not after every paragraph of one condition, but at the end of every consecutive numbers of paragraphs of the same condition.
So in your third example you'll need two conditions more:
1. One for the paragraph sign at the end of condition "meaasurements"
2. One for the paragraph sign at the end of condition "price 2"
Whenever you make the other conditions invisible, you also have to turn off the new conditions that only control the paragraph signs.
See the following screenshots:
Uwe

Is there a tutorial/primer for working with conditional text and page numbering in book folders?

I'm ramping up on FrameMaker 9 and have been experimenting with using folders in book files. I like being able to add Frame files to the folder to organize content. But I also need to use conditional tags. In one version of my book, the entire contents of some files in one folder are hidden using conditional text. I can't figure out how to set the numbering for each file so that the page numbers adjust appropriately in this scenario. Or is it even possible to do this?
Can anyone recommend an advanced tutorial for using folders in Frame 9?

Michelle,
It would be easier to maintain if you create a different book file that omits the entire "conditionalized" set of files.
See these Adobe TechComm blogs for some more background info on using hierarchical books and numbering behaviour:
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2009/05/xml_authoring_projects_using_hierarchical_books.ht ml
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2009/06/numbering_in_hierarchical_books.html

Pagination with conditional text

Hello,
We have an classroom book we want to put conditional instructor information into but I'm stumped on how to maintain pagination so that the instructor pages do not have page numbers and the instructor's versions will have the same page numbering (while physically having more pages, due to instructor material) as the student version with the conditional instructor text turned off.
Thanks for any help, sorry if I'm missing the obvious.

mt.mz. wrote:
Hello,
We have an classroom book we want to put conditional instructor information into but I'm stumped on how to maintain pagination so that the instructor pages do not have page numbers and the instructor's versions will have the same page numbering (while physically having more pages, due to instructor material) as the student version with the conditional instructor text turned off.
Thanks for any help, sorry if I'm missing the obvious.
In earlier versions, a FrameMaker bug permitted a trick page layout that employed two independent text flows - Flow: A, and Flow: B; each flow always appeared on a left or right page, and adding new content automatically flowed A content to a new A page, and new B content to a B page. The usual purpose was an instructor's version of a manual with the instructor's material on one page and the student material on a facing page, and each flow of conditionalized content could be shown or hidden without displacing the other. The trick was also employed to use auto-numbered paragraphs to simulate page numbers, so that the pages of each flow were identical. The bug was fixed around FM version 5 or 6, so that strategy became extinct.
One alternate strategy that could work for your design - one inserted non-flowing page at a given location - is to create from individual files. One set of files would be the single page instructor materials. The other set of files would be created by breaking the student content into appropriate chunks of pages. Add the files to the book in the order you need. Manually restart the page numbering for each file in the book to suit your needs.
An alternate strategy would be to redesign the pages with a wide column for student material, and a narrow column for instructor material; each column is an independent text frame with a different text flow. Showing or hiding the instructor material will not affect the flow of the student material. A similar strategy would be to use two text frames on one page; the upper one covering most of the page, and the lower one covering a smaller part of the page.
HTH
Regards,
Peter Gold
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Data merge with conditional text

I'm new to InDesign scripting. Very new, in fact. I'm willing to learn, but my main motivation at present is to solve a particular issue. Surely this issue has come up before. I'd love to know if anybody has encountered it or if it is possible to accomplish through scripting.
I want to merge data onto a gift pledge card. The exact text on the gift card will depend on the data being imported. For example, somebody who has given in the past will receive a message such as, "Thank you for your gift of $xxx." However, a person who has NOT given into the past will receive the message, "Please consider giving this year." The condition is the field prior_gift. If it's above 0, then the first message is displayed.
This seems like a natural use for scripting, but, in my searches so far, I've found no references to using conditional text and data merges together in scripting. So, would this be a relatively simple task to accomplish?
Thanks for any help you can give!

the data merge feature with indesign only brings in text which was in the original data file itself - it doesn't know how to parse or interpret it to behave differently upon seeing certain results. that is, it doesn't run database queries such as if-else statements - it will only import text which was originally in the data file.
however, there are plug-ins to indesign that CAN do this but they cost BOATLOADS. are you printing this yourself or are you sending this to a commercial printer? if the latter, have you discussed your print solution with the printer, as they may have a plug-in that can do this type of data merging, and all you would have to do is provide the printer with a packaged native file, along with the data and instructions as to what has to change... and for goodness sake see a proof of it!!!

InDesign Conditional text batch export with TOC update

Hello Everyone,
I'm just getting into the scripting, so bear with me please.
I have an indesign document with several conditional text variations and a generated Table Of Contents. I've found -hans-'s batch exporting script which works perfectly, BUT, in my document there are conditional headings too, which have their impact on the TOC of course and sadly indesign's toc update is not live. So all I need, is add a line (or 2) in the script that selects and updates the TOC for me before exporting each PDF. I've tried labeling the TOC text frame (with script label) and invoke a menu action on it, but I think I didn't get the Syntax right. I guess for someone experienced this is a really simple task.
Here is -hans-'s Conditional text batch exporting script:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4764443
thanks for your help!
wood1y

Hi,
Thank you for your answer. This is my syntax so far. All I did to -hans-'s script was, I tried to create a variable with a text frame that has the "TOC" label, select it with a .select action (found it on a forum) that doesn't work, and tried to invoke the update toc with app.scriptMenuActions.itemByID(71442).invoke(); which doesn't work either. So yes, as I told you, I'm a beginner.
var nameOfThePDFExportPresetYouWantToUse = 'DiscManual' //please don't forget to set!
var currDoc = app.activeDocument;
var currFilePath = currDoc.filePath.absoluteURI + '/';
var currFileName = currDoc.name.replace(/.indd/, '');
var currConditions = currDoc.conditions;
var myTOC = currDoc.textFrames.item("TOC")
//set all conditions visible to false
currConditions.everyItem().visible = false;
l = currConditions.length;
//cycle thru conditions
while(l--){
currCondition = currConditions[l];
//set actual condition visible to true
currCondition.visible = true;
currConditionName = currCondition.name
//select TOC
myTOC.select();
//update TOC
app.scriptMenuActions.itemByID(71442).invoke();
//set pdfName
var exportTo = File(currFilePath + currFileName + '_' + currConditionName +'.pdf');
//Have a look here:
//export PDF. to choose backgroundexport. use the second line of code
//currDoc.exportFile(ExportFormat.PDF_TYPE, exportTo,false, nameOfThePDFExportPresetYouWantToUse);
currDoc.asynchronousExportFile(ExportFormat.PDF_TYPE, exportTo,false, nameOfThePDFExportPresetYouWantToUse);
//set actual condition visible to false
currCondition.visible = false;

Creating Online Documentation With Conditional Text

I'm fairly new to conditional text and was curious if it was possible to create a document that can be hosted online with conditional text. The document versions need to contain links specific to each company referencing the document. For example, if Microsoft wanted to access their version, the documentation would provide links to their own documentation that relates to the subject being discussed. However, if Adobe wanted to access the same document, it would give them their own links as opposed to Microsoft's links. If it is possible, what method does Frame use to distinguish between the user accessing the documentation? Would users be authenticated through User ID and Password?
Thank you in advance,
John

Hi Van,
Thank you for your response. I was thinking that the way conditional text worked is that it basically created three different versions (files) housed as one file and the versions could be somehow referenced individually from within the main file. Obviously this is not the case, but it still would have made the process of hosting the documentation online fairly easy. I'll look into Air and see if it can kind of work like what I was looking for, but if all else fails, we could always just host each of the seperate versions.
John

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