Transforming to Layer Group Vector

First, I apologize if this isn't the proper forum for this question; it was the closest I could find for the nature of my question.
I have a layer group containing various vector layers of all shapes and sizes. For the ease of design, I allow various vectors to expand over the edge of the button, which gives that edged effect. Ultimately, this is all contained as the Layer Group itself has a vector mask applied to it.
The issue arises when I try to do anything with this group as a whole. While transforming, for example, the parameters of the transforming box are well outside the bounds of the Layer vector - obviously, it's giving the dimensions of all the vectors inside. My question is this: is there any way or workaround where I can get PS to treat the group by the size of the vector, rather than the internal layers?
I realize this is a very specific question, so if an example is needed, I can get one.
Thanks!

...I just realized I made an error. Hah, sorry. In a gloriously dislexic moment I misread "PDF" as "PSD"... Sorry about that.

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I have finally taken the time to understand the behavior of the slughish performance of moving layer groups.
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1. If I have just 2 layers in a layer group. Selecting both of them and ctrl-dragging them around is smooth and responsive.
2. If you have however select the layer group which contains just these 2 layers, the performance is obviously and terribly impacted. The drag is slow and choppy. With just 2 it is unbearable with regards to workflow but with a large layer group the performance it is utterly unusable. I am now looking to test what occurs in older versions.
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I tested on both Photoshop CS6 and CC. I'm on Windows 8.1. And I can honestly say I've never seen the layers panel scroll slowly.
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