Transport - Business services and Party components

Hi Folks ...
My SLD has Business systems with different names for each of my environment .
e.g. - ECC_DEV -> ECC_QAS ->ECC_PRD
and the transport targets takes care of the name changes when the objects are transported.
How can I use the same concept for Business services and Party services. these objects do not have an entry in the SLD hence i cannot use the transport target concept.
I Would like my services (both with and without party) to have different names in deifferent environments -\e.g. - BS_DEV -> BS_QAS -> BS_PRD.
Possible?
Regards,
Arvind R

Hi,
>>>Possible?
yes&no
- transport targets work only with business systems
- if you want to change changed names you can always
create a business system instead of a business service
but just make it third party business system
this way it will work later on
Regards,
Michal Krawczyk

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Please go through this link, it has all:
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I am stucking in a small issue but do not found a related thread.
Can anybody explain me, why I cannot assign a "Business Service" of typ "Service without Party" to an Application Component? I am try to configure my integration Process and call in the directory Tools --> Transfer Integration Scenario from Integration Repository. In the following Configurator I can only assign Business Systems from SLD or Services with a Party depending on the settings of the Application Component in the Repository (Flag "External Party with B2B Communication"). If you configure the scenario manually it is possible to involve Business Services without party. But I would like to make use of the Wizard and my Customer has a lot of Systems maintained as Business services.
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Difference between Business Service and Business System are :
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password require to create but in case of business service
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Murthy,
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hi,
Business System : is a logical entity assigned to a Technical System in a SLD
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for more:
Business System: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/42/c817d9d2296bb2e10000000a1553f6/content.htm
Business Service: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/c7/301640033ae569e10000000a155106/content.htm
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When a technical system is defined for a product / s/w comp version we also enter the parameter for logical system name. If a buisness system is defined for a technical system then it in turns refers to the technical system with buisness system assigned to it.
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