Transport Problem - for KEDR Derivation rule

We are trying to create derivation rule through transaction KEDR without any values. After creating derivation rule, it is creating workbench transport request eventhough K9RE* table is client dependent.
We have different transport routes/groups for customizing and workbench. SAP Layer is assinged to workbench transport group with one another Z* layer.
When we are trying to create request it is creating workbench transport request eventhough it is client dependent. It is using KEG0 package which is assinged to SAP layer.
Workbench transport are not going to all clients and we have to move request manually to other clients.
What should we do for changing this behaviour?
Thanks,
Miral.

With detailed explanation:
I thing previous post with was not detailed enough. Please see below.
We have created two different transport group for differentiating
customizing and workbench transport request.
ZECD layer is assigned to /CUST/ group where as ZWBK and SAP layer is
assinged to /WRKB/ group.
We are moving all client independent transports (assigned to /WRKB/
group) to only 1 client in other systems.
While creating derivation rule through transaction KEDR, it is not
allowing us to assing /CUST/ group eventhough config is client dependent.
It is using package KEG0 which is assinged to SAP layer and SAP layer isassinged to /WRKB/ group in our configuration.
The Derivation rule config is client dependent eventhough it is creatingworkbench request. We would like to know why it is creating workbench
request instead of customizing request.
Thanks,
Miral.

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We have different transport routes/groups for customizing and workbench. SAP Layer is assinged to workbench transport group with one another Z* layer.
When we are trying to create request it is creating workbench transport request eventhough it is client dependent. It is using KEG0 package which is assinged to SAP layer.
Workbench transport are not going to all clients and we have to move request manually to other clients.
What should we do for changing this behaviour?
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With detailed explanation:
I thing previous post with was not detailed enough. Please see below.
We have created two different transport group for differentiating
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Please go through the following link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005vp/helpdata/en/57/749fe2d51811d189f30000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
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Please reward points if found useful
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