Triggering midi inst from audio

hi,
im working on pro 7 and having a problem trying to work out haow to trigger a midi instrument from an audio signel, for instance:
i have an audio snare track and i want to trigger a tamborine from either ultrabeat or the exs so it plays at the same time as the snare.
is it even possible to do this?
i run my logic as a front end to pro-tools 6 hd2 and im aware i might have to flip the audio device to direct tdm so it works with the instuments. like i would if i was side chaining.
if you anyone can help it would be most appreciated
cheers
leigh@earthworks

Excuse me for jumping in here, but im a noob, and was thinking about this same thing the other day, specifically to re-triggering a kick or a snare.
I read on the Audio to Score, and was curious if it could be used for this situation. So now that thats answered, I would like to throw a couple of other questions in:
1: Are the midi notes placed in another track once converted? (i would assume yes)
2: If they are, do you just add the instrument you want to that channel?
3: How does the phase of the midi track affect the original snare or kick that was recorded in the case that you wanted to blend the 2 tracks?
G4 933 Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Similar Messages

Triggering midi with an audio file

Hi,
Ive recorded some live drums and unfortunately Im a bit disappointed with the snare sound and would like to use some sample snares I have instead.
Is there anyway to record an audio instrument track using the recorded audio file of the snare so that the beats trigger the sample?
Thanks.

Solved the problem,
First it was Ultrabeat as Sidechain trigger... I mixed with two techniques and looped the ultrabeat when it was already looping inside the ultrabeat...
and other sound problems I guess are over cause of leveling the volume correctly,
while side chaining...
I guess I was too excited to start working with logic, didn't noticed that the audio engine is a bit different than cubase I guess...
still having some minor problems in other logic stuff, but happy that I've solved that issue...

How can I create midi from audio in LPX?

LPX: How do I create a midi track from an audio track in LPX? I have looked everywhere in documentation and on the web and cannot find anything.
This was easy in Logic 8.
Thank you

Use Flex Time on the Audio Region, go to Audio Track Editor, Open Edit Menu
Create MIDI Track from Flex Pitch Data
Hope that helps
Edgar Rothermich
http://DingDingMusic.com/Manuals/
'I may receive some form of compensation, financial or otherwise, from my recommendation or link.'

How to access audio instruments as midi channels from midi keyboard?

Hi!
This is my first post here.
I use mostly Logic Pro 7 as a sound module with my keyboard. I have a song file in Logic that I made some time ago, where I've linked every audio instrument to a corresponding audio channel (same midi channel). All channels are in record mode, and thus every audio instrument is assigned a midi channel - and I can play different audio instruments by changing the midi channel on my midi keyboard.
Now, I want to create more tracks, so I can have more instruments to choose between. That doesn't work.. I try to make a new logic file and do the same thing with more channels, but I can't remeber how I made this work in the first place. I've been trying for hours and hours, and I'm going nuts here.
I would extremely grateful if anyone could tell me how this is done.
(No rewire/extra software is necessary.)
Thanks for reading.

Welcome!
It's fairly straightforward. On each audio instrument, assign a MIDI channel in the parameter box - so eg Audio Instrument 1 is set to MIDI channel 1, Audio Instrument 2 is set to channel 2 etc.
The key part is in your song settings "File -> Song Settings -> Recording" to make sure "Auto demix by even channel" is ticked.
Now, shift-click on the record buttons for all your audio instruments, and when you send on MIDI channel 1, you'll play the first one, switching to channel 2 you'll play the second one, and so on.
The max you can do is 16 channels at once, afaik, as the sequencer input doesn't retain port info (which is a bit of a shortcoming in my book, but there you go...)

IMac won't recognise USB MIDI keyboard in Audio MIDI Setup

I upgraded earlier in the week from a G4 eMac to a new Intel iMac. All appeared well until I tried to use my Evolution MK-361 USB midi keyboard from inside Logic. No midi events were coming through the system.
After some fiddling around I found the Audio MIDI Setup utility and the keyboard is not listed as a device in there. However, if I open System Profiler and select the USB information I can see that the keyboard is connected. According to the E-Magic web site this model of keyboard is class compliant and so shouldn't need a driver installed.
Originally I had the keyboard plugged into a USB hub. I've tried restarting the machine, restarting the machine with the cable plugged into different USB ports and different USB cables plugged into different USB ports. I've also downloaded all the latest OS / firmware / application updates and installed them.
I reconnected the keyboard to my old eMac and it shows up on there so I know it's not a fault in the keyboard itself.
The only other bits of gear connected to the machine are a Lacie external hard drive and my Saffire but these are firewire device so I wouldn't expect them to cause a problem (they certainly didn't on the eMac).
If anyone has any ideas I would seriously appreciate the help. As you can imagine I'm pretty gutted having forked out a grand for the machine.
Cheers
Jon
iMac (Intel) Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Hi Jon
So much for plug and play
Yeah, it's great isn't it?
I emailed M-Audio tech support about it and apparently it's a known problem in 10.4.8 and they're waiting for a fix from Apple. I guess I'll just have to keep my eyes peeled for OS updates and go rummaging under the stairs for a midi cable instead.
Ho hum.
Jon

Concerning midi data in GarageBand for iOS: can we copy midi data from one virtual instrument to another?

Concerning midi data in GarageBand for iOS: can we copy midi data from one virtual instrument to another?
For instance: I play my "lucky take" on the virtual piano, and now I am curious how it would sound on let's say a organ. Normally I would select the midi content out of the piano track and copy it into the organ track. I cannot figure out how to do this in GarageBand for iOS. Is there anyone out there with a solution?
Thanks!

It is limited, how you can move regions between tracks. Basically, you can move between tracks with the same touch instrument. See the help: http://help.apple.com/garageband/ipad/2.0/index.html#chsec12c15d
Move a region
Drag the region left or right to move it forward or back in time. Align the left edge of the region with the bar or beat on the ruler where you want it to start playing.
Drag the region up or down to move it to another track with the same Touch Instrument. You can also drag regions between Keyboard and Sampler tracks, and between Audio Recorder and Guitar Amp tracks. Smart Drums regions cannot be dragged to another Smart Drums track.
If you move a region so that it overlaps another region, the overlapped part of the “covered” region is deleted.
Paste a region
You can paste a region you have copied, or paste an audio file from an app that supports copying audio to the clipboard. GarageBand supports 44.1 kHz sample rate, 16-bit depth uncompressed audio files.
You can paste copied regions to another track with the same Touch Instrument. You can also paste regions between Keyboard and Sampler tracks, and between Audio Recorder and Guitar Amp tracks. Smart Drums regions cannot be pasted to another Smart Drums track. Audio files copied from another app can be pasted to Audio Recorder or Guitar Amp tracks.
Move the playhead to the point where you want the region to start.
Tap the header of the track where you want to paste the region to select the track.
Tap the track where you want to paste the region, then tap Paste.You can also tap an empty area of Tracks view, then tap Paste. In this case the region is pasted into the currently selected track.

Transferring midi data from Atari to Mac.

Like many of the "older" hands here, I started sequencing on an Atari ST1040 and still have many old DD floppy-disks full of my songs in the old Emagic Notator (_.SON) format. Well I held on to the old Atari and it still works well but what I would love to do is get those songs into Logic Pro 8.
What I have found out and done so far is...
     - successfully exported a Notator song file to a midi file on the Atari.
     - successfully connected the Atari to my MacBook (using midi lead from Atari midi out, through M-Audio midisport USB into MacBook USB port.
     - successfully established communication between the two computers and transferred one midi file, ending up with a single midi track in Logic, containing (I think) most of the information, but all crammed into a single track.
What I haven't been able to do is enable proper sync between the two (I simply set Logic bpm to that of the Atari, pressed "record" in Logic and then "play" on the Atari). I can't seem to find this sync setting in Logic.
I am also unsure as to what to set the new track to in Logic as it seems to work in a limited way, whether I select "External Midi Instrument" or "External Sequencer". Common sense seems to suggest the latter, since Notator is indeed an external sequencer as far as the Mac is concerned.
So what I'm really trying to achieve here is:
     1. Proper sync so that the timing doesn't wander during transfer
     2. The same number of tracks in my original midi file, transferred into Logic. (I tried enabling the right number of tracks, even setting the individual midi channels but it just record onto the first track and ignores the rest.)
Any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong, what I need to do now or any help or advice as to how to get this to work properly would be most welcome.
Cheers!

I think you'd be better off just transferring the .son data file in it's raw form. Anyway to get that midi info onto a more modern storage device and then load it into Logic that way?
I'm not sure what kind of useful data interfaces are possible on the Atari.
Original Emagic dudes probably have some suggestions as this would have been somewhat common a decade ago.
The midi porting seems to create a jumble rather than your segregated parts.

Installation folder not found. Kontaktplayer2 will terminate? I can't play any of my midi sounds from Garageband.

Kontaktplayer2 will terminate? I can't play any of my midi sounds from Garageband what gives? I downloaded all my midi plugin's to run my M-Audio midi controller, but the patches are gone from GarageBand. I recently had all my files "Migrated" from my old Macbook to my new one and since I have my new Macbook (only a week old) I haven't been able to use the GarageBand patches. Can anyone give me advice?

Matt
If you did a Restore operation using the current version of iPod Updater and you still get the same results, then you should take it back and get a new one.

Alignment of external MIDI events and audio

Hi,
I've been doing some careful measurements of the timing of MIDI events under Logic 8.0.2. I record a lot of external MIDI hardware, so the timing of external MIDI events and its relation to recorded audio is very important to me.
My setup is OS X 10.5.5, Logic 8.0.2., all relevant patches and updates. I'm using an RME fireface 800 as both the audio and MIDI interface in these examples.
I've created a project in which there is no plug-in of any kind: neither instrument nor effect. Even the klopgeist is gone.
My preferences settings:
Audio/Devices:
buffer=1024 samples
sw monitoring=off
indep mon level=off
I/O safety buffer=off
Audio/General:
PDC=Off (I also measured with PDC=all, to verify that it has no effect)
low latency mode=off
I create an external MIDI track of quantized whole notes: C3, playing on the first tick of each bar. BPM is 120.
I then create another external MIDI track, cable MIDI OUT to MIDI IN on the Fireface, and record the first MIDI track onto the second (i.e., loopback test). The note data is right on the money; within one tick of the original values. I set PDC to all, repeat the test, same result.
I then cable MIDI out on the Fireface to a hardware synth, and call up a patch with a sharp attack. I route the audio output of the synth to an audio input of the Fireface. I create an audio track with this input selected, and record the output of the synth. The recorded audio is early by 20ms or so -- roughly equivalent to the buffer size.
I repeat the test with PDC set to All, same result. PDC has no effect, as you would expect, as there are no plug-ins in this project.
I then set Preferences/MIDI/Sync/All MIDI Output delay to 21ms. I repeat the audio recording test, and now the recorded events are on the money.
Here are my questions. First, am I doing something wrong, or does Logic have a fundamental bug concerning the linkage between MIDI timing and audio timing?
It seems clear to me that this timing error has nothing to do with PDC. There is no "P". Right?
I thought that the RME has timestamped MIDI. The RME manual speaks of very accurate MIDI timing, and I can verify that the MIDI jitter of the Fireface is indeed low, in the 1ms neighborhood. This is borne out by the MIDI loopback test I did above. But MIDI timestamps don't mean anything if they are not correlated to the time code of the audio, haha! What am I missing here?
If timestamping the MIDI data can't work for some reason, could this problem not be solved by having Logic automatically delay the transmission of external MIDI data by an amount equal to the audio buffer size? Put differently, my solution to this problem is to set a MIDI output delay in preferences equal to the audio buffer size, i.e., 21.3ms. And this seems to work. Is that a proper solution, and if so, why does Logic not do such a thing automatically?
Thanks,
-Luddy

OK, so I just retested and here is the best part... I recorded a loop from my drum machine, cut the first note nicely to the 1 on the first bar... using a count in etc.
I played it back and looped outs 3-4 back into 1-2 on my Ensemble. I also played back the same kick on my drum machine just to check this reverse latency issue. I was not concerned with hit for hit layering accuracy. What I got back astounds me!
The "loopback" recording was spot on to the original being played out... totally locked. BUT, the one that was midi clocked by Logic and play from my drum machine came in ahead of the 1??? How is this possible when I am hearing it when monitoring this recording and it is slightly behind? RIDICULOUS! What does this mean?
Logic is NOT recording what I am hearing, but rather recording some timewarped version of it in which it places events ahead of when they happened, but ONLY on midi clocked or midi sent notes!
I have lurked here a long time and I know that there is not much known here about this issue, so before anyone tells me the typical solution I will say as I did in my last post:
I have done a ton of tests like this, I also followed the loopback testing as described on Logicprohelp.com.
Yes I tried it with all PDC modes, SW monitoring on AND off.
I am truly beginning to think that this is a major bug of some sort.
Anyone else out there with hardware that reports latency to Logic (RME, Metric Halo, and Apogee stuff are ones I know that do this) experiencing this abberation?
thanks

Can't connect MIDI devices in Audio Midi Setup

In the help for Audio Midi Setup, step 7 says you can connect devices as follows:
"7. To specify the connection between MIDI devices, drag the output or input connectors above the device icon to the corresponding connector on the other device icon."
I can drag out a line from the device ports ("connectors"), but cannot find a way to make those lines "stick" to a second MIDI device or its ports -- i.e., I cannot connect devices like this at all.
Is this just me? Is this feature not yet implemented perhaps?
Thanks!

Ok, I finally solved this. For whatever reason, I could not set up connections between my auto-detected USB MIDI devices in Audio MIDI Setup -- maybe it is just not designed for this, or maybe I'm still not understanding what to do. i.e., I could not connect my E-MU 0404/USB to any port on my MOTU MIDI Express 128.
However, I was able to configure the individual MIDI interfaces (i.e. the E-MU or the MOTU, separately), using "Add Device" and then connecting between those interface devices and the newly added devices. This was the first time I had seen the "connectors" actually "take" and connect between entities within the Audio MIDI Setup utility, so that was a relief. Presumably doing this informs applications on the Mac how the MIDI system is set up -- I just thought it did more than that, i.e. allow direct routing between MIDI devices using just the utility itself.
I still don't know if I am meant to be able to connect a keyboard to a synth using just Audio MIDI Setup alone (what I had hoped), but I certainly can't seem to get that simple config to work and will have to resort to using some additional software like a sequencer. Not my preference, but c'est la vie.
Thanks for all the suggestions,
Stewart.

Convert MIDI tracks into Audio tracks

I started to convert the MIDI tracks in my project to Audio tracks. Unfortunately the input audio signal is very weak. Is this normal for a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro ? Anyway, working with that weak signal I raised the signal level using the Play Control of my Sound card. As a result I got an awful noise in the monitors. I canceled the action but the noise didn't stop. Now as a result I have a permanent noise coming from my Sound Blaster Play control. I found that the CD Digital output of the Play Control produced that noise. I muted that output and the noise disappeared. But I can't use the CD Digital output of my Sound Blaster. Is that a software or a hardware problem?
Any suggestion and help is welcome.
Tzarvulko

No, weak MIDI conversion to audio isn't normal. Can you give more detail as to how you are going about said conversion?
You probably don't have anything attached to the CD Digital input, unconnected inputs can pick up noise, and in fooling around with the play control you likely enabled that input (or just turned up the volume of your analog inputs). Muting unconnected inputs is a good thing to do; to some extent so is muting inputs you're not using at the moment.
-Dave
[email protected]

External MIDI recorded as Audio is early

Why is it when I record MIDI data sent from Logic 8.02 to an external synth module and recorded back to Logic as audio is the audio earlier in time than the MIDI?
I played with various delay comp settings and this didn't seem to help.
Many thanks!
Alan Hayes

I have a new Apple dual quad core 2.8Ghz Mac,10 GB RAM, 2TB HD,Apogee Ensemble, Emagic Unitor 8 MKII(USB),Logic Pro 8.02,OSX.5.4.
I am not trying to slave a drum machine or anything else with a clock or any sync messages at all, I am just simply playing back a MIDI sequence from within Logic routed to an external MIDI synth module and recording it back into Logic as audio.
The audio recording is earlier than the MIDI Logic sent out.
This happens with all the MIDI external synths and drum machines I have treid not just this particular unit.
I played with buffer settings, no difference,I turned on and off plugin delay compensation,no difference,BTW this is with a brand new song not made from any template, only one audio track and only one MIDI track, I played with recording delay and got close with a delay of 118 and the audio on beat 1 would be late then on 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.......it would be early, then on bar 25,26 it was right on time and then it started to get later for every consecutive beat.
Since Apple removed the ability to sync to an external MIDI clock in version 8, now I have to send my clients a MIDI clock and record their data and send it back via MIDI to their workstations or drum machines and now it won't record in time?
I have worked with Logic since ATARI 1040STe back in the late 80s and it was always rock solid in the realm of MIDI from whence it came.
Is there a solution to this I have overlooked?

Midi recording over audio

Hey Folks'
Odd thing started happening. Open a new song, record audio on track 1, when I record audio on track 2 I see the metronome click records midi info over the audio on track 1. I can still here track 1. When I attempt to highlight and delete the midi it deletes audio on track 2 as well. checked settings nothing looks out of place. Baffled Bill

Okay… well, at first sight, this looks impossible. But obviously something must be happening, so I will have to ask some more questions before I can figure it out.
The first thing is: could you possibly be running a plug-in which is trying to convert Audio into MIDI? There are such things (bizarre as it may sound). They work by analysing the waveform in order to detect the pitch. Rather hit-&-miss, as you might expect. Also rather processor-intensive, so if this really is what's happening, then that might slow things down quite a bit…
Don't trash anything, just make sure everything is backed-up. A conversion routine is unlikely to delete any Audio, just use it to create a new Track.
Now back to basics for a moment. If you are not inputting any MIDI, then MIDI should not be recorded. You say that your keyboard isn't outputting MIDI; to be sure, disconnect the MIDI Out lead. The same for anything else that might generate MIDI (obviously, you can reconnect later).
So now, without any MIDI input, if you try to record Audio, do you get any MIDI Tracks? If so, what is on those Tracks?
Let's eliminate all these possibilities before we move on. Then you can create a new Song from scratch, & with no MIDI gear connected, record 2 Tracks of Audio (one after the other).
The other thing is: you need to be +really clear+ about which Track (etc.) you are talking about at any moment. For example, in the above post you say "the MIDI Track" when the only Tracks you've mentioned up to that point were 'Track 1 (Audio)' & 'Track 2 (Audio)'. So I don't know which Track you could mean…
Anyway, there are some other angles to investigate, but let's check these ones out first.

Logic Master, AU-Lab Slave: Receive midi clock from Logic?

Dear board members,
I've managed to establish a very stable way to run PPC Plugins on Intel Macs by using Apple's AU-Lab launched in Rosetta mode (via its info panel) and activating Apple's NetSend + Receive Plugins. After creating an external midi instrument in Logic's environment I'm able to play any PPC Plugins with AUlab as their respective host.
This situation given to you as an inspiration, I would very welcome your thoughts on this two core questions:
1.) How could on make AULab receive the correct midi timing clock from Logic? This is important if you have timing dependent PPC Plugins, i.e. Wizoo's Latigo.
2.) What would be an appropriate way to compensate Latencies occuring inside Logic? I know its possible to record the incoming audio and set the audiofile then manually to the correct timing by draging but wouldn't it be fantastic to hear it in realtime (by negative sample delaying)
Thanks for your input in advance!
All the best,
- Vic

I spent a bit experimenting with this too.. A bit cumbersome, but it works... I have a Mac Pro 8 core, and a G5 powermac (PPC).. I was trying to use 3rd party plugins synths on Powermac, to record into Mac Pro... The delay made it impossible to really play along with it.. There was some kind of latency comensator on the AU or MIDI receive (I forget which) but I couldn't get that to really work well.
I ended up, recording the midi performance on the Mac Pro, using a dummy instrument, then I fed the midi to the Powermac and bounced it's audio back to Mac Pro...
ANSWER TO QUESTION 2 - I didn't try it, but if you were just going to use your PPC mac to process audio, you could assign EVERY track (except the one going to PPC) to a logic sample delay, and then delay that.. Send the track to the PPC, (in real time) process that and then back to MacPro... It can work,
ANSWER TO QUESTION 1 - I didn't see an obvious solution to sending the midi timing clock... and you really do need to have it.. Logic is capable (or used to be - haven't checked in years) of using something called IAC. You create it in the envirement - It's was similar to rewire...
Rewire also might be able to handle it - now that I think about it....
ANOTHER APPROACH - If you have a midi box you could take that midi out the LOGIC master.. (turn it on it settings) and patch it into the 2nd computer and have the application on the 2nd computer sync to that.. But if you were trying to merge a midi clock from one source and a midi keyboard from another... that's another problem to work out..

Importing midi file from Sibelius

Hello
I've been trying to import a score I composed in Sibelius 6 into Logic Pro X. What happens is I have no control over the panning or volume; everything reverts back to it's original position after setting the pan and volume. I had everything panned to center and volume equal on all tracks before I exported the midi file from Sibelius. When I first tried this, the dynamic markings in the score moved the faders up and down. I removed them, but still have the same problem. Any ideas?
Thank you
Michael

Use the "Transform" window.
Transform can be used to simply have a complex selection criteria, without actually modifying the data.
With your region selected, in the transform window specify your selection criteria, for example "All NOTES with a velocity of 45 or less", and hit the "Select Only". This will select all notes in that region that make your criteria. Then use the cut/paste functions to move them to a new region.
If you are unsure how the transform window works and need some more help, post back.

Triggering midi inst from audio

Similar Messages

Maybe you are looking for