TRIM Command Availablility on W510 SSD

Hi all, does anyone know if the 128GB SSD option on the latest W510's come with TRIM support out of the box?
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I just got my OCZ Agility 2 SSD yesterday and finished installing everything again. I went with this one for the value, it is also SATA II only, supports TRIM, 240gigs at $455 after $30 mail in rebate this month, one of the best values I found. And this thing is fast, usually after log in all the programs that load at start used to take forever but now it's like 5 seconds and everything is loaded completely. My Windows Experience Index for the hard drive is a whopping 7.7 right now

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Enable Trim Command for SSD

How can I enable Trim Command for SSD in my Windows 7 O/S?

Unfortunately, using "fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 0" will not tell you if TRIM is actually working.
How do you know it is not already working?
You can try using this tool to check
http://files.thecybershadow.net/trimcheck/
Copy the exe you download to a folder on the drive you wish to test (eg c:\test) and double click it. Follow the instructions.

TRIM command (as it applies to SSD) and the vanilla arch kernel

According to this wikipedia article, the TRIM command has been implemented in Linux since kernel version 2.6.28. I'm wondering if the vanilla Arch kernel (x86_64) has support for this compiled in and if so which module would one need to modprobe to use it?
Thanks!

graysky wrote:hmmmm... is NOMMU_INITIAL_TRIM_EXCESS the so-called "TRIM" support in the kernel?
I don't think so, that seems to be memory (ram) related (NOMMU.... MMU is related to memory access as far as I know).
All I could find with a quick google search were a few posts saying there are submitted patches and some scripts .... nothing too certain.
As always things seem to be going at the windows development speed instead of the pace technology could go, also it seems that the spec for the trim command is/was still being finalized.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions … ux-713006/
http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=124169431911648&w=2
http://forum.soft32.com/linux/Linux-ATA … 83626.html
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum … fb&t=60882

TRIM command

Hi everyone,
just read about the 'new feature' in the latest SL update for those of us who have a MBP with a SSD.
Can anyone tell me what the 'TRIM command' does and how it works ! Do I need to do anything, ie; in Terminal ?
Or does it just 'do it's thing' ...
Steve

Actually the TRIM command was added in 9i. The usage is
TRIM
( [{ { LEADING | TRAILING | BOTH } [trim_character])
| trim_character
FROM
trim_source
TRIM enables you to trim leading or trailing characters (or both) from a character string. If trim_character or trim_source is a character literal, then you must enclose it in single quotes.
* If you specify LEADING, then Oracle removes any leading characters equal to trim_character.
* If you specify TRAILING, then Oracle removes any trailing characters equal to trim_character.
* If you specify BOTH or none of the three, then Oracle removes leading and trailing characters equal to trim_character.
* If you do not specify trim_character, then the default value is a blank space.
* If you specify only trim_source, then Oracle removes leading and trailing blank spaces.
* The function returns a value with datatype VARCHAR2. The maximum length of the value is the length of trim_source.
* If either trim_source or trim_character is null, then the TRIM function returns null.
Both trim_character and trim_source can be any of the datatypes CHAR, VARCHAR2, NCHAR, NVARCHAR2, CLOB, or NCLOB. The string returned is of VARCHAR2 datatype and is in the same character set as trim_source.
Examples
This example trims leading and trailing zeroes from a number:
SELECT TRIM (0 FROM 0009872348900) "TRIM Example"
FROM DUAL;
TRIM Example
98723489

TRIM does not work for SSD in a RAID configuration

According to Intel, SSDs that are used in a RAID configuration cannot use the TRIM function in Windows 7. This would seem to lead to an eventual degradation of those RAID SSD configurations. Is there any work ongoing to enable TRIM in the future?
"....Intel later clarified that TRIM was supported for the BIOS settings of AHCI mode and RAID mode, but not if the drive was part of a RAID volume.[16]..."
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The performance hit would only be on the write side of the equation. If the garbage collection of these SSD drives is sufficient, I wonder why TRIM exists? I'm posting an excerpt from Wikipedia on the subject below:
"All SSDs have garbage collection. That is a function of NAND flash memory used in SSDs. Some drives may be more efficient at GC than others. Some do not recover as well as others after they have been used for a period of time. Some drives perform GC in the background when the drive is otherwise not busy with user data (idle), but there are some drawbacks to that background operation (you can see the wikipedia article for more details). In general background GC is not good for the endurance of the drive because it moves data that the OS (and user) may delete and render unnecessary to GC in the first place. The best solution is to do it on the fly as fast as possible.
TRIM is a command sent by the OS to the drive identifying the actual logical block addresses (LBAs) that are no longer needed. To understand TRIM you must understand how the OS and SSD tracks the data. When you put an item in the OS trash you are not actually deleting the items. They are just marked ready for deletion. If the user says to empty the trash, the OS notes this and now says those LBAs are free to accept new data. This is true for all storage devices, not just SSDs. Many people do not realize that the storage device does not actually delete the data at that point. The act of erasing a file is simply the OS marking its internal lookup tables for that file as free to store new information. An HDD still has the data on the drive at that location until the OS writes something new into that spot. For an SSD it is the same; the SSD still has the data in the flash at that location until the OS writes something new into that spot. Of course the NAND flash memory requires the replacement data to be written into a new location and the old data is marked as "invalid" now. Then during garbage collection that invalid data is NOT moved with other valid data in that block to a new block.
The performance of an SSD is at its peak when it is brand new out of the box because there is nothing to GC. Unfortunately this occurs only at the beginning of the drive's life or after you secure erase the drive and start over. Performance is also affected by the size of the over provisioning (OP) (details also in the wikipedia article above). During GC if the drive does not have to move around as much data it can operate faster. The TRIM command enables the OS to tell the SSD what LBAs are no longer valid data. Without the TRIM command this only happens when the OS tries to write something new into that same spot or it tries to replace the current data. If the SSD knew in advance that some of the LBAs holding data were invalid the drive would not move that data during GC. The effect gets you closer to the performance of a drive with larger OP. Without the TRIM command the drive will perform like it is at full capacity at all times and only has the amount of OP set at the factory (plus any space left unused during the partition process when first setting up the drive)."
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Trim command doesn't work fix

I downloaded PE 11 and PE12 and my trim command will not work for me at all. I use this so much and can't even use either one. I had 12 and went back to 11 and it still doesn't work. It is so hard to get help now from Adobe. I need this command to work. Is there a fix I can download

Nancy K Lindway wrote:
I downloaded PE 11 and PE12 and my trim command will not work for me at all. I use this so much and can't even use either one. I had 12 and went back to 11 and it still doesn't work. It is so hard to get help now from Adobe. I need this command to work. Is there a fix I can download
Have you tried to reset the tools to see if corrects itself? To do this, launch a blank image in Editor under Expert mode tab. then at the bottom look for something like this (you will need to click on the image to magnify it):
The reset button is at the red box shown on the right-side of the picture. You need to click on the arrow icon to reach it. You can reset all tools or reset only the selected tool. I would reset all tools and done with it.
This might or might not fix it but worth a try.
Good luck.

Cannot use Trim command in CS4

I am trying to use the Trim command in CS4 (I am using Vista 64-bit). While I've used Photoshop for several years, I use it intermittently and am a complete novice. I am trying to create an irregularly-shaped image (a map), and am trying to cut off the white areas around the map so that I can insert it into an Indesign document. When I click Image-Trim, and click Bottom Right Pixel Color (which is a white area of the image), I then click the bottom right corner and NOTHING HAPPENS. Sometimes, I get a message that I cannot do this because the "layer is locked," but there are no layers except the single background layer, and I have no clue about how to "unlock" this.
Earlier, I had clicked Image-Trim and the crop-like boundaries appeared around the white areas, but I was not certain what to do after that. I pressed Enter, but nothing happened. I closed the image and placed it into Indesign, but the white areas still appear.
Is there a step by step description of how to do this? It's obviously not doing what the Adobe Photoshop Help instructions say to do, which ends with "Select one or more areas of the image to trim away: Top, Bottom, Left, or Right" but doesn't say what to do after you've selected the area!!).
Thanks in advance!

To unlock the background layer, to make it a 'real layer', just double-click it in the layers palette.
Once you have done that, you can erase any part of the image to become transparent, then you place the PSD file into InDesign.

Do i have to be concerned with TRIM with a 3rd party SSD

Im looking into getting a 3rd party SSD for my late 2008 aluminum unibody macbook
i am under the impression that TRIM is off by default,
Do i need to turn it on?
will it mess up my mac running Yosemite?
can i simply ignore the word TRIM all together ?
thx, jay

TRIM is off by default, because Apple doesn't enable TRIM support for 3rd party SSDs. Each SSD has a different firmware and operates differently and Apple presumably doesn't want to go through a bunch of testing on devices it has never shipped.
It used to be you could use a 3rd party utility called "TRIM enabler," but Apple has improved security in OS X Yosemite and only runs signed kernel extensions by default. TRIM enabler isn't signed so it won't run, unless you disable kernel extension security (I don't recommend this).
SSD firmware has improved over the years and it's debatable whether explicit TRIM support is actually necessary these days. I'd suggest ignoring TRIM and seeing how performance works out. If after 6 months, performance has degraded, then see if there's an easy way to enable it.
That said, the machine is approaching 7 years old, it may be worth looking into a new MacBook Air instead of spending on a new drive

TRIM Command Capture

Is it possible to capture TRIM commands in an Xperf trace? And if so, what provider do I need to use?
Thank you,
Dennis Ginley

Trimming selecting white from a corner should leave the smallest image with no white pixels anywhere on the image border rectangle. If you are using the measure tool to straighten image it is likely that non-white corner points of the image touch the bounding box (left, right, top, bottom of the image rectangle boundaries), so it is not possible to trim to a smaller rectangle without cropping some non-white image pixels. You would in this instance see white wedges at the sides, not white all the way around the straightened image.
A way to test this: After using the ruler tool to straighten your image, go to Image > Canvas Size and increase the canvas size by some amount. and select Canvas extension color to be white. Now try trim from a corner and see what happens.

Trim Command CS4

My trim command will not work in CS4, both 64 bit and 32 bit. I use the measure (ruler) tool to straighten the horizon which leaves a white border. I'm unable to trim off the white excess. I do choose an appropriate white corner. Any ideas?
Thank you.

Trimming selecting white from a corner should leave the smallest image with no white pixels anywhere on the image border rectangle. If you are using the measure tool to straighten image it is likely that non-white corner points of the image touch the bounding box (left, right, top, bottom of the image rectangle boundaries), so it is not possible to trim to a smaller rectangle without cropping some non-white image pixels. You would in this instance see white wedges at the sides, not white all the way around the straightened image.
A way to test this: After using the ruler tool to straighten your image, go to Image > Canvas Size and increase the canvas size by some amount. and select Canvas extension color to be white. Now try trim from a corner and see what happens.

W510 SSD - My Story

Here's my story: I've had my W510 for 4 years without problems of any kind. However, recently bootup times started to be around 4 minutes. So I decided to get an SSD and put that in to see if performance increased. I bought a couple of 240 GB HP v300a drives on sale. They are SATA III drives, with Sandforce 2281 controllers. I made a disk image using Acronis, then printed that on the SSD and installed it. It booted up fine, in a fraction of the time, and all was good for several weeks. Then a very interesting problem popped up. The only game I play on the W510 is World of Warcraft. From time to time, the game would completely freeze. The whole system would lock up, and I would have to press the power button and do a manual cold boot. The freezing problem was intermittent, and seemed to happen at times when the game was particularly graphics intensive. Sometimes it would go away for days, only to come back. Weirdness! I thought it was the fault of WoW--but when the system froze using Creative Suite 5.5, I put the original HDD back in. Now I'm back to where I was. No freezing. Everything works fine, if sluggish and boot times are 4 minutes.
I want to install an SSD in this machine. I know I can get 4 more years of life out of it if I do. Perhaps the HP drive isn't as compatible with the W510 as some other brand. I welcome recommendations. If I neglected to do something in BIOS, perhaps someone could counsel me. The HP SSD itself may be defective--I have not tried it in another system. However, the identical disk went into my Dell laptop and there have been absolutely no problems, and that was a far older system than my W510. The HP disks were really a stab in the dark. If someone can direct me to a disk that will work with a disk image (I don't own a full version of Windows 7, just upgrades)--but I do have the Lenovo recovery disks. Thanks in advance for any counsel you may offer.
Best regards, Mike
OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Professional
Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name MICHAEL-THINK
System Manufacturer LENOVO
System Model 4318CTO
System Type x64-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU Q 720 @ 1.60GHz, 1600 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date LENOVO 6NET84WW (1.45 ), 10/3/2012
SMBIOS Version 2.6
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System Directory C:\Windows\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.1.7601.17514"
User Name Michael-THINK\Michael
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Hi,
@Hackermc:
As far as I can see the only model that is supported on http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ThinkPad%20W510%20Series is the M500 (not M4!) with 240GB, not 480 GB?!
Crucial M500 240GB 2.5-inch Internal SSD
Or is this incorrect?
I will looking forward of your results with the 480 GB version of the M500.
@ George
You said the M4 512 is running well with the W510.
Which Chipset does your W510 have: Intel 6 or 7 series. And which CPU?
I think, this will make a big difference.
My dealer is able to get the M4/512 GB, which is more than sufficient for the W510 Sata II.
I got around 260 MB/s with the Samsung SSD on the W510 (when it had a 5 minutes of good time).
This ist the maximum write speed for dem M4, so it fits perfectly.
Greets
Axel

10.10.4 update allows enabling of TRIM support for non-Apple SSDs

Careful with Trim and Samsung SSD's.
https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-drives-are-not-that-solid/

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/06/latest-os-x-update-allows-you-to-enable-trim-for-third-party-ss...
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Question about W510 & SSD

Hey
i've read some thread and sites about w510 and ssd's, but i'm a bit confused now.
So I will buy a "ThinkPad 2nd HDD Adapter Ultrabay III SATA" and put my current in use sata hd in it. Then the new SSD into the main slot right?
And what i have to respect by the selection of the ssd?
is SATA II supported? SATA III?
is SATA 3GB/s supported? SATA 6GB/s?
would be nice if anyone can give me some advice.
thank you

That's exactly how I roll. Intel 160GB SSD in the primary bay. I use a couple of different 320 and 500GB 7200rpm drives in the Ultrabay.
W510 is SATA3. It's still unknown if the full SATA6 pipe will be available on the W520. But SSD drives that have a SATA6 capability should still downshift and work on the W510. The Intel and Crucial C300 drives do.

W510 ssd samsung evo

Hi,
I have a thinkpad W510. It came with an original 500 gb hitachi drive. I believe it is a 2.5 inch 9.5 mm drive. Can I put in a samsung ssd evo with 2.5 inch 7mm drive? Do I need new rubber railings? The reason im asking is it appears the original drive is in an adaptor. Can i take the metal adaptor off the old drive and put it on the new and reuse the railings? Or you cant use the old adaptor on a 7mm drive. Also in the hmm it mentions a storage converter part number
42W7888 do i need this?
To clone the drive do i just buy an external hdd enclosure and use acronis or something similiar?
thanks!
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There's no urgent need for the spacers, is good if you have it but no drama if you don't
I have several 7mm drives in 9mm bays using the 9mm caddy and rubber rails and they work all fine. See the example pics from my X201:
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A31/i1600/G40/R50p/R61i/S30/SL510/2*T22/4*T4x/11*T6x/6*T4x0x/6*T5x0/3*W5x0/W700/3*X2x/4*X3x/3*X4x/5*X6x/3*X6xT/10*X2xx/2*X200T/4*X30x/Z60m/3*Z61x
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W510 SSD Harddrive

Hey.
im new in here, sp sorry, if the questions already have benn ask.
I have a Thnkpad W510 whit a RPM harddrive, and i want to change to a SSD Harddrive, but im not sure which SSD Harddrive i shuld choose.
I hope someone in here, can help me recommend which one i should choose.
128 or 256 GB dosent matter, i just wnat the best one for my Thinkpad W510
Kind Regards Martin Sjelle

i use a Samsung 830 with my W510, you can use Samsung 840/Pro (since the 830 is out of production).
Are you going to encrypt the drive? set hdd password? etc?
Regards,
Jin Li
May this year, be the year of 'DO'!
I am a volunteer, and not a paid staff of Lenovo or Microsoft

TRIM Command Availablility on W510 SSD

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