Trimming Clips Advice

Hello - I've searched extensively, and not found my answer, forgive me if it's been covered before.
I've been on Premiere for about 6 years, and honestly have never had need to use the clip trimming function. 90% of my work is compilation-style music videos. I've always captured tiny (3-10 second) clips by the thousands and compiled them, so never really a need for trimming.
Lately, as tech changes, instead of my contributors sending me tapes from which i capture my 'little clips' i'm getting avi files that are anywhere from 10 minutes to two hours long. My editing is still the same (fast moving music videos with short clips) but my sources are changing.
My question is this: I've noticed that i can load several hundred short clips into a CS4 project and experience no performance problems. However, when i start using these huge files, user interface becomes sluggish. When i drag a 3 second clip from a much larger file onto the timeline, i'll experience a significant delay before i can move on. Within the same project, if i drag a clip from a short file, there's no noticeable delay.
I may use the same source file 20 or 30 times on the timeline, yet is there a simple way to 'trim' those little timeline 'clips' down to improve performance? It seems that these 30 references to a 2GB file are what's causing the slowdown - maybe I'm imagining it.
Thanks a million in advance...
Jonathan

Hi,
No it does not scene detect. I have found that scene detect software ( dv capture software, really) is often more trouble than it is worth. If I'm the shooter, then it will work well, that is if it scene detects based on timestamp stop/start. I shoot with that in mind. However, in my case, often I am not the shooter and very seldom do I get scene detection where it is sufficiently coincidental with my editing requirements. I find it far easier to scrub the Solveig timeline to make the cuts and dump the unusable footage.
Have you looked at Scenalyzer Live? It will capture and cut clips based on scene detection, including optical, index footage, and more. That is, if you get tapes to work with. But the format is limited--it won't do mpeg 2, for example. I believe it only writes type 1 and 2 dv avi. It is, however, an excellent capture program. With dv, I often use it's tape indexing, which lets me review an entire tape at fast speed in 4-5 minutes, giving me a good indication of the footage content in general. I then know better what to look for when I scrub the Solveig timeline.
I haven't used HDVsplit. The last time I looked at it it was in beta and did not appear to me to be developed enough to be much faster than NLE workflow. However, that may have changed.
I might add that I have tried, at one time or another, every avi and mpeg spliitter out there--well, everyone I could find, anyway. And none were as effective as Solveig.
I really do not know of any program that will fulfill the requirement of scene detection on avi footage. If you find one, report back. I'd be interested in trying it myself.

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http://forums.adobe.com/thread/537685

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can we sue adobe and get our money back for PE10 because archiver doesn't trim clips as advertised

Sorry. We are just fellow video editors and can not provide legal advice. But I doubt you can prove a lot of pain and suffering over one feature.
Where does it say the archiver will trim a clip -- and have you tried both archiver options?
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@Z_B-B, thank you for taking the time to respond to my cry for help. However, the link you supplied does not address the problem: I am not trying to export from Final Cut Pro to QuickTime, I am trying to export from QuickTime to the rest of the world (like people's iPhones and Ipads) in .m4v format (so I am not emailing my freinds such huge files).
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I'm sure there is a very basic answer for this, and I'm simply inexperienced.
I just can't seem to find this exact problem stated anywhere.
My issue involves time remapping.
I'm working on a MacBook Pro, using dynamic link between Premiere Pro CC and After Effects CC. When I select a single "slice" of a clip I have trimmed down with the razor and open it in AE via direct link, it works well, and I proceed to enable time remapping. All goes as I want it to.
The issue arises when, immediately, I notice that the start and end key frames are not visible because they are actually placed at both ends of the full clip, NOT my trimmed down version. When I place key frames at the ends of the smaller area I want to work with, I notice that if I want to move those end frames inward, it actually pulls the excess footage from the sides into the work area, which I would expect if I didn't have the comp trimmed to the work area.
I'm sure this is just ignorance, but I want to be able to work ONLY with the trim I made, and if I want to pull my end keyframes around, I need them to leave blank black space, NOT the rest of the footage. How do I actually chop out the trim so this works the way I want it to?
Thanks so much in advance. I'm not well versed in the terminology for this program yet and I hope I was able to explain the issue at least halfway clearly.

When you enable time remapping, AE automatically creates keyframes at the start and end of the entire clip, regardless of how it's been trimmed (as you already know).
While there's no way to automatically do what you want, it's an easy manual process.
Enable Time Remapping.
Go to the in point of the trimmed clip (press i) and add a keyframe.
Go to the out point of the trimmed clip (press o) and add a keyframe.
Use the keyframe arrow buttons in the timeline to step forward to the end-of-layer keyframe. Even if it's outside the composition time so you can't see it, it can still be (invisibly) navigated to. Then remove the keyframe by clicking on the remove/add keyframe button between the two arrows.
Navigate to the start-of-layer keyframe and do the same.
Now you should have just two keyframes, at the start and end of the trimmed layer.

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http://help.apple.com/imovie/iphone/1.2/index.html#kna257fc915
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in ulead i often used a feature let me save a clip that i trimmed down off as a new file. i did this to save on disc space and get rid the junk frames. in elements i can see how to trim from the left and from the right, and to split a clip, but i can not figure out how to save off that trimmed video to a new file. or even change the length of the original.
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Andrew,
This a bit of a guess, as I use Project Manager in PrPro, and it has some major differences.
I suspect that you have a large Clip, or Clips, and have used Instances of that/those on the Timeline. Is that the case?
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Question 1:
Since you're so new to AE, it's quite possible that any of a number of things happened without you being aware of it. That and you haven't given much information for troubleshooting. I mean, we don't even know the rough versions you're using, much less minor version numbers. (For example, we don't know if you're using CC 2014, much less if you're running the 13.2 update for AE or not.) Here's some info we would need to help: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/961743
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/961743
Question 2:
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Alternatively, you can choose to dynamically link a Premiere Project (which sounds like what you initially did). In most cases, I prefer the first way.
Since you've never used AE before, there are going to be a lot of things that frustrate you if you try to plow ahead without a knowledge of the basics. I strongly recommend going through the resources linked here: Getting started with After Effects Granted, there is an extensive set of resources there, but that's because AE is such a deep and complex program. Without a foundation in the basics, you are going to just keep on being frustrated.

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i have to reduce the size from 120gb to 20 gb by cutting out the unwanted but leave in seperate files.

You certainly can do this in Premiere by importing a clip, trimming it and exporting to whatever file type and quality you desire. However if that's all you're looking to do, it's like using a $200,000 Bentley to take your kid down the block when all you need is a wagon.
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Nice workaround. Thanks for sharing it!

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Ugh! Is this just me?!! LOL
Thank you for wasting your time on me.

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Hello Ashraf,
Sorry you didn't get any help on this post. In the future, please contact Adobe Support for 1-1 assistance on issues like this: Contact Customer Care
Thanks,
Kevin

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