Trouble installation from external drive

I am having a massive problem as I was installing Tiger from an external DVD drive (USB) the installation went on okay, but when it needed to reboot it crashed and now I have a “grey monitor with an apple” and the system is absolutely dead!!
How can I recover as I can’t access my CD drive or for the matter of sake anything?
If/when I get recovered how can I get The Tiger installed?
I do have a full retail version but Tiger is not really making life easy.
If anybody have a hint it would be great!!!
G4 Imac 384mb 40G CD drive etc. Mac OS X (10.2.x) Ext. 80G HD, ext. DVD/CD W/R

Hmmm… is anything is better than getting a “you cannot do like that”? I really appreciate that one as that got me going and then installation was done as follows:
• Make sure the disk, a full retail version, is good and with no errors first –obviously- as during the installation this check is done and if you do not skip it you get stressed as it takes for ever and ever. Disk Utility will do that job.
• System Preference –Set the USB DVD drive with the Installation DVD as “startup disk”.
• Then close down you computer and start it with “OPTION” key down and select the Installation disc when it appears on the monitor.
• The installation does now start. (I selected a clean partition on my hard drive, so in case you get into trouble you have the old system -10.2.8
• Go through the normal installation steps but “skip” check DVD as said before.
• As iMAC G4 15” flat only have USB 1.1 you may go get a coffee or two as it will take quite some time approx. 1hour and 15 minutes.
• When the installation disc reboots the system you press “OPTION” and select the installation disc again. –Be patient-
• The installation is now finishing up and the final settings has to be completed as normal.
Conclusion:
Kappy I must disagree with you, but appreciate your comment as it got me going… and it is absolute possible to install Tiger from a external USB DVD you just need to be stubborn. And you can absolutely boot from a USB drive (SONY a cheap model)

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disk4
disk1
disk2
disk3
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