True Black and White CS4

I have converted a photo to Black and White but despite doing all the basic things ie convert to greyscale, destaturate etc etc my phots always appear with a slight sepia tint on my monitor, but if I open the same photo in other applications such a Canon DPP or Picture Windows it is Black and White with no no hint of any color. Has any body expeienced the same problem and if so what is the answer to correct

Please read this post then provide some details. What printer model? What operating system? In the "Print in Grayscale" dialog look for "Use Black only" and check this if available.
What media are you printing on? Most HP printers use pigmented black ink and this is not compatible with photo paper. If you are using photo paper then the color cartridges will be used to make black.
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As shipped this 1200dpi color laser printer - C543dn works with Leopard over a network (yes!).
There is only one thing I wanted to do that was not obvious - how to force black and white even when printing originally color images, and make sure only the black toner is used. A lot of websites use color, of course, and you may not want to pay for that either in time or toner!! As you probably all know the quartz filter option has been removed in Leopard, so unlike "another OS" you don't have a simple printer-independent "print mode" setting to set to black and white.
After a lot of looking around for a manual which details the printer driver options (there isn't one - confirmed by Lexmark support) this is what I have puzzled out. BTW - There is an alternative approach that involves saving to pdf, and then using preview to resave the pdf with the quartz filter applied - but this is simpler if all you want to do is print.
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Printer Dependent bit - in this case Lexmark C543.
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This way I definitely got black and white (grayscale output). Verifying that only black toner was used is not a slam-dunk but it looks like it was. Anyone who has better info on the printer driver and the correct settings (maybe this was overkill even?) please feel free to correct/enhance.
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I really like the printer. It is fast, and it was a breeze setting it up as a network printer. Built in duplex is also very cool.
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Trouble printing black and white

Friends,
I'm trying to print black and white on an imac i7, snow leopard, hp premium plus all in one (309g) printer. The prints have a slight purple cast. It is highly noticeable when the prints are placed next to older black and whites printed with an HP 8450. I print out of Aperture normally, but I'm having the same problem printing from preview. I use hp paper and inks, and the hp printer profiles.
Any ideas?
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Steve

On 28 Apr 2010 Steve wrote:
Odd solution
Posted: Apr 28, 2010 7:56 PM
I used all current profiles for the printer. However, I just tried something different:
I turned off colorsync and let the printer manage the colors. I got a MUCH BETTER
black and white rendition. Who woulda thunk it -- all this effort to manage colors,
and the printer does a better job than we do. Go figger.
Thanks for your help.
Steve
You have the right idea, at least in some respects. The trouble with Apple's color managements system and pretty much all graphics programs these days is that those who coded them haven't got a foggy idea about black and white nor even grayscale. For instance the color filter for "black and white" is not true black and white, it is RGB gray; in other words it is using three colors to produce gray (or black) and that is just not the same. RGB gray images are still 24-bit images whereas true grayscale is 8-bit and true black and white is 1-bit. True black and white images can be very high resolution yet be very small files because of the phenomenal compression that's possible. Only those of use who actually work(ed) with black and white film and black & white ink on presses truly understand black and white color. Which is unfortunate because RGB gray is so poor and the files are just HUGE!
I've encountered the same problem, and am trying to solve it also. Perhaps I can find a profile for true black and white. Or create one? For instance, as I mentioned above, Preview has a filter for black and white, (but only to save a pdf file) and if you then save the pdf file as a TIF via that black & white filter and then load the resulting image into a program that's actually capable of black and white, you will find that the file it created is actually RGB gray (24-bit) - it LOOKS gray but it's not. Whereas if you load a true black and white image into Preview (Preview unfortunately has no means of creating true black and white, nor even to convert back to color) then you will discover that now you have the option to save as 1-bit or 8-bit gray (1-bit being true black and white with no shades of gray and 8-bit being grayscale with 256 shades of gray i.e. 0 to 255).
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of the magenta not printing in the correct spot or being too prominent in the print.
...that is correct insofar as what printers/programs typically are doing with the given color profiles, but it is not correct. Grayscale should NOT use other colors; grayscale should use only black (which is also more economical). By turning off colorsync you likely enabled the printer's color management system to take over and print true grayscale (black ink only).
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Hi there,
Last week I ordered two calendars via iPhoto.
The canlendars only contains black and white photos but the photos in the calendars I received are far from black and white. They have a stron yellow/reddish tint and looks nothing like the pictures I edited.
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Best regards,
Stefan Nielsen

This Apple doucment, iPhoto: Image differences between books and prints, discusses B/W prints and their colorization. However, what you've described is not what they describe so it might be a printing glitch. Contact Apple for a redo.
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Hi @organgrinder,
Your print Dialog box sometimes varies depending on which program you are printing from, but, I found some potentially helpful information about advanced color management;
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Photoshop Black and White profile for printing

I'm a black and white photographer, so this issue is extremely important for me to resolve. I've been looking online and I have yet to find the answer, so I hope someone can help.
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I am a new user to InDesign. I use InDesign CS4.
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Hi
Thanks for reply. I am able to open and convert from raw ok, what I don’t know if I can do is process multiple files that have been changed, i.e. to black and white?
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