Trying to install dot net 3.5 on 2 fully patched 2012 standard server

I have tried the dism method as well as the alternate source to the wim and the sxs folder but it always ends up with error 0x800f081f as the source is no good. I tried the offline installer which fails while running the dism command
I need this to test out the system center service manager

so the issue is definetly the fully patched
I just loaded up a fresh install of 2012 standard and dotnet installed with no issues pointing to the same source
this is the same process for the fully patched servers but they are fully patched and don't work
so i'm wondering if the update rollup makes the original dvd useless
if that is the case where do I get the sxs directory for the applied update rollup?
i'll try uninstalling the update rollup and post back whenafter testing

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