Trying to update new iPhone 5S from backup. Apps fail to move

iPhone 4 ( Updated OS and did a backup before and after OS update)
Got my new iPhone 5S. 
Did a normal startup with new phone and selected to restore from backup that was done above.  (iTunes)
Did this with the option of creating new phone and option of just doing the restore. 
Tried erasing new phone again and did another backup of old phone.
Did another startup on new phone. 
Did another restore.
Same results. Can't get apps to move over. No apps moved at all.
PICS/Contacts/Phone calls/Txt messages.  All those moved.
No apps whatsoever.  I'm sure I'm just not selecting something.
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards,
Terry

I figured it out.
I didn't have Apps in iTunes at all.
I needed to move apps from phone to iTunes which I finally figured out.
Once I did that I was able to sync the apps to new phone.
instructions on doing this via this chat need to be clearer.
I'm not an Apple super user and I didn't know I needed to move the apps. I thought hitting sync would work. That only works to move apps from iTunes to device.  At least that's the way it seems.

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