TS1846 FCP 7 - Strange Frame Rates

I'm using FCP 7 and I need to capture at 25fps. I've set the capture frame rate to 25 but the files keep producing strange rates like 24.34, 24.5, 24.6. What settings do I need to alter?

Here are the settings. I'm using a VTR to capture from digibeta tape. When I open the video file in Quicktime 7, the frame rate isn't 25fps

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Quicktime shows strange frame rate

Can any one tell me why every clip I digitise through my Kona LH or my Blackmagic ProHD shows a framerate in Quicktime of 24 point something instead on the 25 fps it is meant to be.
Both DVCProHD and 8bit Uncompressed are showing this and its slightly troubling.
FCP sees the frame rate as 25fps in the browser and is very happy but a certain grading package which shall remain nameless can't handle the discrepancy
Im using a Sony HDCam 2000 p Deck into a Kona LH onto an intel with a Huge 2,5TB Fibrechannel Raid.

Thanks - it also shows the frame rate that the clip is stamped with and its this thats bothering me - It reads somewhere between 24.1 and 24.9 (It should say 25fps! as it does on clips that werent digitised in this suite)

FCP giving off Frame rate to QT files

I dunno if anyone has ever come across this one but this is sure strange. K, I have been dealing with some 24p problems with cinema tools and it came to my attention from another person on here that, he told me to check my file by opening the captured file with quicktime and doing an info check and upon doing so we seen that the frame rate is said to be 29.95. Could be why cinema tools is acting a but strange not giving all the options wanted. So I decided to check other files and another 24p (2:3) was said to have a 28.51 frame rate. Although FCP reads it as 29.97, outside apps take the quicktime file and see it as is. So I even checked some ohers files that were shot in 30p and even they are buggered. Not all , but some. I just looked at a bunch of home videos that I have been bringing on with my 8mm and see some of the tapes and off a bit, I even have one clip saying 3.75 FPS, however, when playing the QT file, it plays fine and even the frame rate that shows when playing is 30 or so. So does anyone have an idea about this. I should say that all footage was captured with my camera connected to my FW400 port and saved usually to my internal drive. I did jsut do a test with saving to my external Lacie and same thing, just a bit off. NOW, interestingly enough, I was recommended a program for good logging and stuff and decided to try the trial version of it. Its called Live Capture Plus and I tried a bit of the 24p footage and opened it with QT and it says 29.97. Interesting, one thing different with this capture program is that it starts a new clip ever time break, much like iMovie which is a nice thing to have sometimes. So is it FCP or is it the fact that there is a time code malfunction during time breaks or what. I am open for anything hear. I have projects that need to get done and just want to make sure all is well. So please help, if you wish to ask in more detail, message or call me on ichat at littleharoldeh under AIM. Thanks guys
Nat

No, they are not timecode breaks. As I stated these are fully captured files that play fine, however, when open in QT and info the frame rate is an odd, 29.95, or 29.91. I really have no clue why this is happening. Doesn't seem to effect over all playing of files. But the one thing I shot at 24p (2:3), which final cut read as 29.97, QT as 29.95, that I brought into Cinema tools, when I select reverse Telecine, it doesn't give me all the options for stuff that it should. I made a post about this in the Cinema tools thread. Thanks for trying, but it ain't timecode breaks

AE CS6 on Windows8: H.264 Coded generated very strange frame rates when rendering

funny things are happening:
I import 300 jpegs (canon 6D raw exported from LR as jpeg at max quality)
create a new composition (with 25fps)
render video in h.264 @25 fps
videos rendering works fine, plays well at external player.
drag and drop video from file explorer to AE project window:
framerate: 0.081
how does that happen and more important: how can this be fixed?
even more funny: until using 200frames to render, frame rate ist at 25fps,
having more frames in the video, framerate goes down below 1 close to 0...
is there some know issues with the h264 codec in ae?
thanks
Claus

Definitely. If you use a temporal (time based) codec like H264, the Render Queue will create inefficient results, as it can't look ahead or behind while it renders. AME can, which means you get superior compression results.
If you need to render from the Render Queue - for example, if you're rendering multiple output segments and formats in one pass - then use an intermediate codec, then convert to H264 later using AME or any other decent compression tool.

FCP Multicam - mixed frame rates & audio sync

I created a multicam from an hour of video from three cameras and two additional sound sources.
One camera was set to 24fps but was only used for a few shots. Both the other cameras were set to 25fps (the only option).
I did not include one of the audio sources in the multicam - it was a lapel mic and I figured I would use only bits of it where necessary.
However, this audio runs at a slower speed to the multicam - exactly 4% slower, which suggests that the multicam works by dropping frames from the 25fps clips.
The pitch is also different - making the lapel mic audio unusable if there is music in the background (it was a wedding - so there was a lot of that).
What did I do wrong here?

Thanks Jim. I just want to be sure there's no other solution. Almost all the footage in this feature is 24p, so editing in a 30i framework is not a good option. Here's a video comparing the difference in how FCP and Premiere resolve 29.97 footage in a 23.98 sequence: Is there really no setting or process that will have Premiere play it back smoothly?

FCP getting wrong frame rate

I have clips that I'm converting to ProRes with Quicktime. They originate as H.264 files at 29.97 fps. Once converted they play fine in QT player which reports 29.97 fps, as does MediaInfo, but when I bring them into FCP it thinks they are 10 fps. What's going on!

Why? Because AVCHD is so cumbersome to deal with. Since the video is in H.264, "un-wrapping" it merely takes it out of the AVCHD file (converting the audio if necessary) and puts it in a format that can be dealt with at a file level rather than having to keep the BDVM structure. They can also be viewed natively on the Mac and cataloged in CatDV. Since no video conversion is taking place, the process is extremely quick, there is no generational loss, and the files do not balloon to unmanageable sizes. The original AVCHD packages are then archived to disc and I can keep un-wrapped versions near line to convert as needed. It is a much more elegant solution than having to go back to log and transfer every time you want to pull a clip out of AVCHD. The only rub is FCP thinking the clip is 10 fps when EVERY other video app sees it as 29.97!
As for the other questions, nobody TOLD me to do it that way, and while H.264 is often reffered to as a delivery codec, it this case it is the capture codec. And yes I have read the manual on log and transfer. As for what constitutes "proper", that is a matter of opinion to be discussed over a cup of tea. Right now I'm looking for a solution to a problem particular to FCP not a treatise on workflow.

Frame rate shifts on imported P2 media

We are getting a strange frame rate shift on some P2 media we are importing into FCP.
The media looks fine and plays fine in P2 viewer on these few shots, but when it's imported the video speeds up and the clip shows that it's 8 fps or 12.99 or some other variation. I also noted that the data rate shows up as different in these imported clips from the clips that play correctly.
This problem is also occurring on several long interview clips where right in the middle of the shot, the video speeds way up, but the audio continues at normal rates. Then in one instance about 9 minutes later, it just goes back to the proper rate. As I said, these segments look fine in the P2 viewer. This only happens on some shots after they're imported.
Has anyone had any experience with anything like this. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks,

What frame size & frame rate is your footage?
If it's not a frame rate with Advance Pulldown, uncheck the "removed Advanced Pulldown..." checkbox in the Log & Transfer Import Preferences (access them by clicking on the gear at the top of the Log & Transfer window).
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Wrong capture frame rate

Hi,
I'm trying to conform a movie from recapture, and I'm with troubles.
I'm capturing from HDCAM 1080i 59.94 and after capture my material should be 29.97fps. But always is different.
Sometimes is 29.95 or 28.54 well... severals differents values.
I see the speed of image is OK, I haven't drops.
But when go to conform the timecodes doesn't match.
FCP shows correct frame rate on Bin, but QT shows these variables frame rates.
Anothers programs as Autodesk Smoke and Assimilate Scratch recognize the wrong frame rate too.
I have a Mac Pro 12 core, using the latest Snow Leopard, FCP Studio 3 and QT.
For storage have a External SAS disk array with 32 TB wich has a sustainted througput of 700MB/s (fully tested and OK).
For capture I'm using a Aja Kona 3.
Actually I already saw this problem in anothers versions of FCP and anothers machines.. but I never get to fix it.
Please, someone already had this problem and fix it?
Thanks in advance.
Thiago Cabral

QT almost is always wrong. It plays what it can... and with Snow Leopard, QT X is just worse. The fact that Smoke and Scratch report the wrong frame rate is really puzzling. Try this...use the CONFORM option in Cinema Tools to conform the footage to 29.97. Might be just the thing needed to LOCK that frame rate still.

Coverting frame rates

I have a piece of animation in my live-action short which was created at a frame rate of 15 fps (I also have an alternative version at 10 fps). Every time I drop it in the 29.97 timeline as is, it drops frames. Do I need to convert it to 30 fps before dropping it in the timeline and how do I do that? Thanks.

Have you tried looking in the manuals? I simply opened the online help in fcp, typed in frame rates in the search box and up popped:
Volume 4 - Media Management and output... Also contains detailed explanations of settings and preferences and information on video formats, frame rate and timecode.
Might be the place to start.

FCP to PP Blackmagic frame rate settings question

Hello everyone. FCP to PP editor here, and as I attempt to monitor my AVC-Intra 100 1080HD 23.976 footage on an external monitor via my Blackmagic Studio card, I seem to be missing a setting that was available in FCP 7.
I'm hoping someone can help me either find the switch or confirm that it does not exist in PP.
The video output menu in FCP7 (when used with Blackmagic cards anyway) has a handy 23.976 ->59.94 8 bit HD conversion output that allows me to monitor in a frame rate my consumer Samsung display can accept.
In Premiere CS 5.5, I understand that I need to choose the Blackmagic sequence preset that matches my footage (I've chosen the Uncompressed preset at 1080HD/23.976 so I can also choose ProRes422 for my preview file codec). My external monitor can't display 23.976, so I'm hoping there's a way to tell my Blackmagic card to still do that conversion I'm so fond of in FCP7 (to 59.94)... Whether it's through a Blackmagic setting or a PP setting, I'd like to know if it's possible. I know the hardware can do it... just wondering if there's a way PP can acheive it.
By the way, I did have the thought to use a 29.97 sequence/timeline, and it works great for monitoring, but playback continually stops, even when files have been rendered.
Thanks so much for any input!
Banks

Richard,
Thanks very much for the response. It's not there on my Mac. I do have 9.5 installed (did it last week).
I'll give BMD a call. I have a Decklink Studio 2, which may not have the option at the card level. Strange, though, since I know the hardware can do it. Perhaps BMD has a way to flip the switch.
Thanks,
Banks

FCP XML to Premiere Different Frame Rate

Hello,
I have imported an FCP 7 XML into Premiere 5.04. When my sequence was in FCP it was at a frame rate of 23.976 at 720P. When it came into Premiere, though, it had changed to 59.94 fps at 720P.
I wonder how this has happened and if there is any way to change it back to 23.976 fps? Or should I just leave it as is?
I tried copying all of the clips within the 59.94 fps sequence into a new sequence that was 23.976, but this resulted in partial frame gaps (like a quarter of a frame missing). Sometimes you wouldn't even notice this during playback, but other times you do. So I assume this is not the best way to change it back to 23.976.
Thank you.

Hi Colin,
Here is the info:
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How does FCP Pro X handle mixed frame rate video clips?

My camcorders are by Canon and both can shoot 50i or 25p. Normally I shoot 25p to avoid interlace artefacts. As I understand it, FCP Pro X conforms the clips to match the initial clip in the storyline. But what would be the outcome if I included clips from another camcorder that only offered 30p? Would those clips be converted to 25p if the initial clip was 25p. Or, would the 25p clips be converted to 30p if the initial clip was 30p?
Assuming I made a movie entirely out 30p footage, would that be uploaded to You-Tube at that frame rate? If my movie is 25p is that converted to 30p for You-Tube upload? Could I otherwise export a QT movie to my desktop at 30 fps or any other frame rate?
It seems that the 25p setting on my camcorders still means that the recording is made as 50i but repackaged somehow. Can anyone explain please?
Yes, I am in the UK in a PAL environment.
AW.

But what would be the outcome if I included clips from another camcorder that only offered 30p? Would those clips be converted to 25p if the initial clip was 25p. Or, would the 25p clips be converted to 30p if the initial clip was 30p?
Subsequent clips will be converted to match the project settings created by the first clip into the timeline. I don't know how well FCP does this timebase conversion from NTSC to PAL frame rates or vice versa. Compressor would probably do a better job. There is also Standard Conversion software from Graeme Nattress that will do an excellent job.
YouTube will take either. You would need to use Compressor to change the frame rate on export, though you don't want to do that unless you absolutely have to.
Most consumer cameras do not actually shoot 25 separate frames when they're set to 25p. They shoot what's called segmented frames, two fields just as the 50i setting, only the two fields are supposed to be identical. That's the theory; in practice some cameras do this better than others.

Video problems in DVD SP burned DVDs - FCP frame rate issue?

Please help! We have a 99 minute feature project that we shot in 24p (NOT 24pa) on a DVX100, imported the footage into FCP in 29.97fps, and edited in a 24fps sequence timeline. When we exported the sequence through compressor (DVD High Quality 120min 4:3 option) to create the 23.98fps mpeg-2 and burned it to a DVD using DVD Studio Pro (with aiff audio because DVD SP had a problem importing the Dolby file for some reason), the movie image had blurring or ghosting when played on a dvd player and looked very "digital" (not like 24p).
After reading several postings on here, we thought the problem may have been because we were coming from a 24p timeline. Following a suggestion made to another post, we exported the 24fps sequence into a Quicktime movie and then imported that back into FCP and put it in a 29.97fps timeline. It needed rendering and we did that. Then we exported the new 29.97 sequence through Compressor into a 29.97 mpeg-2 and burned with DVD SP. When played on a DVD player, the video looked better this time, but appears to be moving in a sort of slow motion.
Because of the length of the project, we've been using dual layer DVDs, but the break point doesn't seem to be causing any problems. Also, we've slightly decreased the "Average Bit Rate" in Compressor from 5 to 4.5 before creating the mpeg-2, etc. files because the default description of the 120min high quality setting said "90 minutes of video with AIFF on DVD-5" and our movie is 99min. Taking it down to 4.5 changed the default description to "102 or 103 minutes".
Each time we burn, the video and audio seem to be completely in sync... it looks as though the problem is with the speed and I don't know at this point if this is frame rate, bit rate, pulldown, method of burning (i.e. DVD SP rather than something like Toast).
Sorry for the long post but I wanted to try and include all the info I could. If anything is unclear or I left anything out, please ask. Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks!!
MacPro Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Thank you, thank you, thank you thrillcat and Silal! Getting rid of the render files and then copying the 24 sequence into the new 29.97 sequence worked like a charm. There were some minor things to fix (small gaps between certain cuts, audio and video clips that needed to be lengthened or cut by a couple of frames) but overall very painless... especially when compaired with the prospect of having to re-edit or re-import all our footage (as the guy from Apple tech support suggested).
On the advice of our sound editor, we exported the 29.97 sequence using Quicktime Conversion into a DV Stream choosing DVC Pro in the Options field. We then burned the resulting file onto a regular 4.7GB DVD using DVD Studio Pro. And PRESTO, our movie was back in its wonderful 24p state!
I greatly appreciate everyone's help. Thanks again!
MacPro Mac OS X (10.4.7)

FCP ERROR when trying to convert variable frame rate Panasonic P2

Ok, yesterday I was able to convert variable frame rate footage so it rendered out nice slo mo's via DVCPRO HD Frame rate converter in FCP 6.0.4, it worked perfect. I tried it multiple times - So I know it can be done... Today however I created the same "easy setup" in FCP I used yesterday, and it wont work?
it comes up with the error:
"An error occurred during processing, unable to conform source media FCP" is there some setting that by default switches"
has anyone heard of this happening? it seems like a program error... but I could be wrong... I haven't been able to figure it out on my own.
does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks!
A

Lance,
Sounds like you have done a very thorough job of tracking down your problem and a temporary solution. Just one question. Is the footage from the HDX-900 that you say...
Lance Moody wrote:
Since some footage from the HDX-900 was shot at 60FPS for conversion to 24FPS as slo-mo, I then attempted to use the DVCPRO HD Frame Rate converter to accomplish this.
flagged in camera as being 24fps or are you just trying to convert it after the fact?
o| TonyTony |o

Panasonic Frame Rate Converter available apart from FCP 6?

The FCP 6 New Features pdf reads:
"The DVCPRO HD Frame Rate Converter is now installed with Final Cut Pro. Both 720p60 and 720p50 footage can now be converted."
Is this still a plugin, and is it available somewhere for older versions of FCP? The download on the Panasonic site is still the older version that doesn't handle 50fps.

My thought is that it is available only as part of the FCP6 package and works internally with that.
If you are asking if it is available for earlier versions, the answer in all probability is no.

TS1846 FCP 7 - Strange Frame Rates

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