Turn off backup encryption in iTunes without password???

Hi:
Lots of posts on this, with many different answers, some contradictory, and lots of issues about weird password automatic generation.
Does anyone know with up-to-date software (iTunes 12.01.26, the last edition of Mavericks, and iOS 8.0.2) if it is possible to turn off encryption for backing up an iPhone (or iPad etc) to iTunes onto a computer if one has lost the password?
One can delete the encrypted backup, but if the encryption box in iTunes is checked it won't let one redo and start with a new unencrypted nor encrypted backup.
Is there a workaround, or has Apple not addressed this since enabling this capability would be a security problem and hence their lack of response to the zillion posts???
Thank you!!!

I have talked to them after looking through the threads and they tried the password but it didnt work. I have read that it could have been the first password used for itunes but I tried that when I made an account for my iPad but that also didn't work. Is it the first one ever used? If so then there is basically no way I can unlock it because I used an iPod years ago (about 4-6 years)

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