Two-camera editing via timeline?

I'v filmed a pop group and am now editing the footage. We worked with two camera's and sound was recorded separately with a digital Edirol recorder, plugged into the PA-system. That audio-clip is used as the foundation for my editing. I synchronised it on the timeline with the (uninterupted) video-footage of the A-cam (sound of which is unpatched). Now I want to overwrite some parts of the A-footage by better, more dynamic, shots from the B-cam. Is there a way to just put the footage of the B-cam on another video-track and edit from one timeline-videotrack to another? Or does the cutting of the B-cam footage have to happen in the viewer and then do an overwrite edit to the A-cam track? Putting it in the timeline and editing from there would save a lot of synchronising effort. I hope I express this question clearly enough, English not being my native language...

I'm editing in the timeline, where there are already three audio-tracks (two stereo linked to the video trakc from camera A, and 1 WAV-file from the Edirol digital audio recorder )and one video-track. I try to drag a clip (the B-camera footage) - with no in- or out-points but with sound- from the browser to a new video track. Patch panels for the existing tracks on the timeline are in the 'patched' position.
So far, I edited clips from the two camera's by three-point editing in the canvas overlay (drag to the 'overwrite' panel), but that means I have to synchronise the clip in the viewer first, which is very timeconsuming. I was thinking that, when I could put the entire B-cam clip in a separate videotrack in the timeline, I would only have to synchronise it once, and then edit parts of it into the A-cam track.
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