Two Keyword lists

Hi,
I would like to create for the two languages I use for my keywords two different keyword lists in Bridge CS4 .
It would make things a lot easier, then to do it with one list and a undermenu - Is it at all possible ?
thanks for your help !
Martin

Don't know if it is possible at all but I also don't see the benefit of it
because you have only one Keyword panel. You can move this to another
location (at least in the three columns Bridge provides) and in an other
shape but it still remains one.
To me it seems more logical to create two sets with the same sub keywords in
different languages and nest the rest of keywords and subwords in those two
sets. You only need to click on the triangle in front of the top set to open
it and use this one or close the top set to get easy access to the bottom
set.
Maybe you might be able to create 2 different workspaces for this but that
is all I can think off this moment.
A last thought came up while rereading this answer and your post. It would
be better to create a keyword list with each keyword in both languages, less
work, no mistakes and international usable
It would make things a lot easier, then to do it with one list and a undermenu

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