Understanding boot camp and formatting backup drive for it

somehow i never got to fully understand how boot camp works in relation to OS X and i am wondering if someone can help me out here.
1. can i install boot camp on a mac pro and have NO mac OS on the computer at all? i have an old install here on a drive that i am not using and my recollection is that this is what i was doing.
2. if this is the case do i simply BACKUP this Boot Camp OS to an external drive that is formatted for windows?
3. if i have another newer mac pro (as I do) - and i am running yosemite on it - can i just run an partition on this drive and install my Boot Camp install (or maybe i run the boot camp installer and it creates a partition for itself)?
4. in the PAST i used WinClone to create a BACKUP of the Boot Camp installation and simply dropped this backup on my OS X desktop which was backed up. is there any good reason for me to PARTITION the backup drive with a part of it being /partitioned/ as windows drive so that the Boot Camp Partition was backed up to this windows partition? the lacie external drive install app seems to ask if i want to do this and i got to thinking there may be a more direct way to backup BOOT CAMP than running the WinClone backup manually once in awhile and having this image backed up with the rest of the OS X partition.
thanks for any help.

thanks Csound. this is a tad confusing for me.
i guess hatter is saying he would like to see the Windows 7 boot camp on its own drive. and right now i am basically planning on /restoring/ the WINCLONE image backup from my 2006 MP to either this separate drive in bay 4 in the 2012 MP or a partition on the OS X drive in bay 1 (if i can "cleanse" it of all the stuff it had when it was on my older 2006).
i guess i do this /through/ the WINCLONE user interface but is it going to somehow drop this boot camp partition on a separate drive that somehow has its /own/ mac OS install on it? you know what i mean? i mean - say i want to put this boot camp install on an empty drive in bay 4, so i format it with extended journaled and then go into winclone and start some kind of restore procedure of my backup to that drive? i guess i am confused big time about this.
also, just so i am clear. is that 2 partitions per mac pro or per disk? i mean, i do have an OS X yosemite on my drive and i am planning on installing windows 7 by restoring from WinClone image

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