Undesired time remapping

This one has me stumped. I'm thinking it's related to render files, but can't quite figure it out.
Had a piece that contained several clips that were speed-reduced to 40%. Not strictly time-remapped with keyframes and all, just speed reduced.
Piece was great, rendered all, compressed, delivered. All was well.
Then, to open up some space on the hard disk for the next project, I made a couple of poorly-thought-out stabs at removing unused clips with media manager and/or find:unused. These didn't really go anywhere, and I don't believe I actually ended up removing any clips. Some were briefly offlined, then reconnected, but none were actually removed.
What did happen was FCP gave me some funky time-remapping in clips that were never time-remapped to begin with.
Any ideas how this might happen? When I play the master sequence down in FCP, everything looks great, but when I double-click on some of the clips in the sequence and view them in the viewer, they're all screwed up; time remapped, jittery, just weird, and not at all like they appear in the sequence.
When I export the current master sequence to compressor, it doesn't come out looking like it does when I play it in the canvas...it comes out with the individual clip weirdness that I see when I view the clips individually in the viewer.
So I'm wondering if when I play the sequence I'm looking at the render files, but when I open the clips I'm looking at...something else?
And to add to the weirdness, when I open my backup project file, I get exactly the same weirdness.
Ideas?

are the original QT capture files normal or have they been affected?
i know when i have done time remapping (just reducing speed) and then have dumped the original files only to recapture them later that if I dont recapture them on the exact hard drives listed during reconnecting the media, that fcp screws everything up.
7 second clips contain minutes and minutes of footage.....that or a 7 sec. clip will be a still shot that I never used.
I have found media manager to never work properly so i just dont use it anymore.....
if you have time try and recapture all the original footage on the original hdrives and see if that helps.....
thats the best i can do....so i hope it helps.....
rob

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My first post here! I tried searches for this topic but didn't find....
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The key thing to remember is the first and last frame are fixed in time. If you speed up the clip, time after that keyframe will have to slow down to compensate. Imagine the clip is a rubber band that has been cut so that it is a long string-like form. Now imagine anchoring each end of it with a push pin to a board. If you grab a point on the band and pull it toward one of the pins, the part of the band on the side you are pulling away from the anchor will stretch (run slower) and the side you are pulling toward will bunch up (run faster). But, when all is done, the start and end will still be at the fixed points.
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CS4
I don't know much about time remapping but I have used it long enough ago to have forgotten what ever I might have known.
I did remember setting Layer/time/timremap, but when I select a layer and try to do that the `remap' menu item is unavailable (greyed out). So what might cause that to not be available.
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from the "Time-remapping" page:
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I recommend that you begin here:
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Time Remapping

I must be looking in all the wrong places but I can not seem to get keyframes working, for effects such as time remapping is there a tutorial for timeremapping I can not get it to work I am so confused.

I'm sorry we hijacked this thread. I invite everyone to participate in discussing improving the PPro WIki
here.
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