Undocumented Feature of the White Balance Tool!

I have not been able to find any documentation on this, at least not in the User Manual nor in the Image Adjustments Manual.
We all wanted to be able to click in multiple areas before leaving the white balance tool in case we clciked on the wrong spot.
Well Apple went one better.
Instead of multiple clicking, just continue to hold the mouse button down and aperture will white balance on the fly!!! Dang. I particularly like using it with the locked down loupe.

Where can i make the paypal donation, lol!!<</div>
I only wish!!!
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The Lightroom Manual is Not Clear on Options for the White-Balance Tool

In the section "Working with image tone and color" the Lightroom manual states:
Specify a neutral area in the photo
1. In the Basic panel of the Develop module, click the White Balance Selector tool to select it, or press the W key.
2. Move the White Balance Selector into an area of the photo that should be a neutral light gray. Avoid spectral highlights or areas that are
100% white.
3. Set options in the toolbar as needed.
Sets the White Balance Selector tool to dismiss automatically after clicking only once in the photo.
Displays a close-up view and the RGB values of a sampling of pixels under the White Balance Selector.
Zooms the close-up view in the Loupe...."
Item 3 is unclear. I selected the white balance selector, and moved it to an area as instructed,
but I cannot find any toolbar with the options described.
How do I get to this mysterious toolbar?? Everyone seems to think its a simple thing, but I cannot find it and I am not able to set any of the options described!
While I am sure this is a simple thing, I think that the manual should be much more clear about this description; what is there now is very inadequate.

It should be directly underneath the image preview - press the T key if it's not there.

White Balance Tool

I am using the following:
latest CS4 version
latest camera raw version
MAC 10.5.5
Can anyone help please - I open bridge, then open a raw file in camera raw. I then use the white balance tool. I go over the image with this tool to see the pixel values - but there are no pixel info showing on the R G B settings on the right (just below the graph). In Photoshop, this tool is working fine.
Is there a preference setting to activate this tool to work properly in camera raw?

Well, I have tested it again and the preference to start Bridge at log in, seems to be doing it. I ticked this off, closed down and started Bridge manually and the tool fully works OK with my work space. But could be something else, I don't know, but starting Bridge at log in on my computer seems to be this.
The saved work space I have set up as follows - on the left side of screen I have placed my favorites, folders, collections panels at top left, then underneath these, I have placed filter, metadata, keywords panels. I have no panels on the right and just have big thumbnails on the main area.
Anyway, thanks again, I can live with this now, I just start Bridge manually :-)

White Balance Tool Help

Can someone please tell me how to set Lightroom so the White Balance tool stays active until I deselect it.

Thanks Lee Jay, don't use it much myself. Even so, you can move the image around in Loupe with Pgup and Pgdn. It will sequence right throughtout he whole image from one point right back to the starting point while WB is active.
Don
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White Balance tool and Camera Calibration Profiles

Downloaded Lightroom v4 Beta 1 for mac but the installer package failed to launch. (com.apple.installer.pagecontroller error -1.) So I've only watched the adobe tv presentations todate.
Anyway just wanted to give some feedback as a pro photographer about use of Lightroom and improvments I would like to see in the next version.
I am a commercial photographer who needs colour accuracy in photographing fashion/garment images - most of my work is reproduced on a printing press for catalogues and brochures. On average a shoot will yeild about 500 images for a client, so workflow is important as they normally want them all!
As a previous user of Capture One Pro v6 and now lightroom v3.6 - the biggest issue I have with Lightroom is the dominace of red tint when setting the white balance from a gray card reference image, shot at the same time as the images to be processed. I'm not adding anything to the images other than doing a white balance, a tweak on exposure and camera neutral setting on profiles.
To obtain a white balance setting I use the combination of an Xrite white balance card and the Q-Card and the old fasioned Kodak Gray cards all mounted on the same surface. I've used spot and ambient light readings on the gray cards to measure exposure and I've used the Adobe DNG Profiler and the Xrite colour checker profiler with the large colour checker card as a reference, (I've made profiles for sunny days, cloudy days, dual illuminant etc etc) and I'm viewing my images on a colour calibrated apple monitor.
Not withstanding all of the above the best results I get out of Lightroom are using the camera profile neutral setting! Everthing else is just too red!! even though the images do look more punchy; for accuracy of actual colour I choose the camera neutral profile.
Well when I say best results, those for colour critical garment photography and skin tones, these results are similar to those obtained from capture one pro v6.
So for the Lightroom v4 I would like to see.
1. White balance RGB values in numbers rather than percentages.
2. Add and delete a colour readouts points with a dropper tool on an image to enable more acurate colour balancing particularly in shadow areas - (already available on capture one pro and adobe photoshop)
3. Curves adjustments in all RGB channels (think you've done this)
4. Output to CMYK profiles.
5. Individual levels channel adjustment for RGB
6. Ability re-organize my tools palette (add and remove) is per Capture One and Photoshop
Regards

The legacy ACR X.x profiles are no more produced nor included for newer cameras (AFAIK, since ACR 5.1/LR 2.1). The Adobe Standard is the new default starting point for these.
While I am at it....are the Canon camera profiles I downloaded for the 1Ds MKII the same as for the 5D MKII or do I have to download different one...I suspect they are the same or Lightroom wouldn't offer them to me...is that correct?
The profiles are different for each camera model, even if they share the same name in the Calibration panel. If you can see them when developing 5DII files, it means the camera-specific profiles are installed for your particular camera model (otherwise, you wouldn't see them).

Add photo-to-photo hue/white balance tool

Would work like this.
Alt-Click on area of color (white/gray, sky, skin) to sample/memorize it.
Select another photo.
Click in a similar area on that photo to match hue (with white balance). Click and hold to adjust proportionately more/less (the double arrow).
For all I know this feature is already in LR and I've missed it.

I am also having the same issue with the white balance turning yellowish.
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My Vibrance and white balance tool have disappeared! Please help!

I ALWAYS use my vibrance and white balance tools on my side toolbar and now they're gone! I don't know how to get them back up and running. Thanks so much! By the way, this is in Lightroom 5. Thanks so much!

Rikk!!! I have spent hours trying to figure out how to get it back!! LOL. Thank you!!! What a silly, frusterating problem so easily solved. I really appreciate your reply!

Lightroom 4 and white balance tool

In Lightroom 4 i use the whtie balance tool and find point that give as high as 99% reading and it would work to set it as the reference point. Today i did the same thing and got a message that said Lightroom could not obtain white balance from that spot and to try again. i've never seen this before. even if i used a spot that was 100% reflective. It would just render colors off.
Today i did the same thing and a message came on the screen that Lightroom couldn't obtain white balance from that spot and i should try again. i was only able to obtain white balance if i used a spot that reflected no more than approx. 90%.
what has changed?
thank you

The White Balance Picker sample area in LR4 can now be adjusted using the 'Scale' slider, so yes it has changed from LR3:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/white_balance_eyedropper_tool_option
The readings you see in the LR Histogram in no way reflect the actual raw data values. The White Balance picker needs a sample area that has no raw data clipping in any channel (i.e.All four R,G, B, G2 channels 99% or less). I suspect the 99% area you are sampling has raw data clipping in one or more channels. If interested you can download RawDigger to examine the image file to confirm:
http://www.rawdigger.com/
I suggest choosing a sample area that is well below 99%, such as 85% to 95%.

Real Problems With White Balance Tool

I attempted to white balance an image I took using the White Balance eyedropper tool, and selecing an area on a Grey Balance Target. Well, Aperture is doing a horrible job of white balancing the image. With Aperture, I exported the image to Photoshop and white balanced it using levels.
You can see the side by side images here along with the corresponding RGB values. The image on the left, is the one that Aperture "thinks" is white balanced. Since there doesn't seem to be a way to check RGB values within Aperture I can't say what they really are, other than to use OS X's Digital Color Meter, which shows exactly what Photoshop is telling me...the image has a definite blue cast to it.
http://www.johnburdick.us/WhiteBalance.jpg
I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, or if Aperture's white balance function is not working as advertised..
Any suggestions? Has anyone else had these issues?
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Apple are being deliberately deceptive on this issue.
I have been to a couple of demo's at their store and watched the demonstrator use the same wedding photo each time to highlight the power of the white balance eye-dropper. I think this is the only photo on the face of the earth to give a half-way decent result from the eye-dropper (and even then it's still a little blue).
When I cornered the demonstrator on this specific issue he tried to use another image (one of the Tibet portraits) and the results were horrible and he was forced to concede that this tool was lousy.
I simply don't believe the software developers weren't aware of the shortcomings of this and yet they still decided to release and insult their customers with it.
But this is a minor issue compared with the overall quality of the images coming out of the RAW adjustments.
I can't understand why photographers are still fighting to make this application work. Sure, as a image selection/management tool it's very nice but beyond that it's garbage.
I've returned my copy to the Apple Store where I purchased it and received a full refund thankfully.

LR4 White balance tool changes to magnifying glass

I just upgrade to LR 4. However in the develop module, whenever I choose my white balance tool and then hover over the image it changes to the magnifying glass. If I click, all it does is zoom in and out. The circle where the WB tool lives, is blank like it usually is when the tool is selected.
I've checked for stuck keys and still have same result.
Win 7 pro x64

hmm.. I posted on here. Left LR open and did some other stuff for a while. Came back to color correct WB tool-less and vola all of a sudden it's working. we'll see for how long

ACR white balance tool Q!

ACR white balance tool Q!
Does it point sample one pixel, 3x3 average, 5x5 average... I have always wanted to know this!
Good question huh?!
Mark

.Eric Chan - 10:43pm Sep 14, 08 PST (#3 of 3)
The color sampler tool is different in that it uses a fixed # of pixels. The actual # of pixels used is image-dependent, however. So it's not something constant like 3x3 or 5x5.
I'm assuming this is just something you're curious about, as opposed to something that will actually help you use the tools?
Thanks again Eric.
Actually, I think it might HELP ME use the tools better. In PS, as we know, there is the option of choosing point sample, 3x3, 5x5... because the tools sometimes work very differently with the different settings. It seems reasonable to conclude that different results may occur, at times, in ACR if one could know and change the settings there. Of course (at least to my knowledge) the aforementioned tools cannot be changed in ACR, but I would like to better know how they are working for potential better results.

In case my input RAW/DNG files are already applied white balance , is there a way to cancel the white balance in light room ?

Hello I am new to lightroom and I am verifying this tool as a tool for raw converter (for image quality team)
In case my input RAW/DNG files are already applied white balance gain
Is there a way to cancel the white balance in light room ?
Thanks
Ron

Make sure that Develop Settings being applied during import is set to "None".

How to change the white balance in Final Cut Pro?

What is the best way to change the white balance in Final Cut Pro? I have some clips which are to green. I would like if possible something which might resemble the Camera Raw dialogue in Photoshop. Any way of measuring color (RGB values)?

There is some specific help in this trainng book:
http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Pro-Training-Correction-Studio/dp/0321635280/
When using Color Corrector 3-Way to correct for a green tint, the bullet points are something like this:
1) After loading the clip into the Viewer and applying the CC3W filter to the clip, open your scopes and move the window so you can see the Viewer (with the CC3W tab open) and the scopes
2) First, if necessary, adjust the white and black levels using the video level sliders below the white and black color wheels (I use the slider above the scopes to make the trace in th4 scopes as bright as it will go without blooming)
3) Looking at the Parade scope, the idea is to balance the whites, mids, and blacks on each color display (red, green and blue). So you watch the Parade and drag the dot that is in the center of each color wheel (starting with the whites) away from the color of your tint (in your case, green). Drag the dot until the highest portions in all three Parade displays are as even as you can make them
4) Then do the same with the mids, using the Mids color wheel, moving its dot away from green
5) Do the same thing with the blacks
6) Double check the image on an external video display that is properly adjusted using color bars from Final Cut
NOTE: This short reply is not sufficient to fully explain this technique, and you really need to understand Color Theory before doing this anyway. That's why I recommended the training book.

How can I search my photos by the White Balance Exif field?

For some photos I recently imported, the white balance is way off because my camera had it's white balance set to Tungsten. I would like to be able to find ALL of my photos that were taken with a particular camera whitebalance preset.
I tried to search using the Exif data's White Balance field, but when I use "Tungsten", no images show up, even though I know there are images with that white balance value (thats what it shows in the metadata browser).
The odd thing is that when I select the White Balance Exif field in the search, the options on it seem to relate to a number, rather than a textual white balance (less than, greater than, etc.) and there are no options that would seem to fit a text entry (includes, for example).
When I have it set to greater than or equal to and enter 0, I get no images, when I enter 1 I get all images, and when I enter anything else, I get no images.
So, what am I doing wrong? How can I search on the White Balance Exif field?

I think Aperture is trying to trick you.
Probably, and succeeding.
Meanwhile I exported the images that were neither "Auto White Balance" nor "Fine weather" l and looked at those with the exiftool in GraphicConverter.
For all those images GraphicCoverter was showing "Manual", and sadly, no number.
It seems, we need to run exiftool from the command line, but I need to find the manual again ...
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How do I adjust the white balance in Elements?

How do I adjust the white balance in Elemements ?

Here is a way to obtain a salutary result in a less sophisticated way:
Open picture file
Go to Enhance>adjust lighting>levels
Point to the white eyedropper (see red arrow) and click on a white object
http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1ucDJ8LGqZC0AnydNnt48SSXsRpCTV
This picture is grossly underexposed. I clicked on the white shirt of one of the players resulting in instant improvement.

Undocumented Feature of the White Balance Tool!

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