Unicode and IDOC

Hi All,
We are implementimg new SAP ECC 50 system for HR module.
We also have a 46C system and HR master data will be converted to 50 system and ongoing new objects will be transferred from 50 to 46C using ALE.
ECC 50 will be unicode compliant system and for certain countries like China and Germany, address and family infotypes will be entered in their local language.
So when we create the IDOC from 50 system, going to a 46C non-unicode MDMP system, how will IDOC post in 46C system?
Basically how will be IDOC from a unicode system be posted into a non-unuicode system?
-Thanks
Bhaven

Bhaven,
did you ever find out about this?
If yes, I would like to hear from you on your pains during this Unicode conversion. Did you guys faced any problem specially for some Asian countries (China/Japan/Korea)?
Regards,
Sanjeev Gupta

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As we all know Java treat character literals as Unicode characters. I have been studying Unicode and the way they treat characters and I have a doubt which is not specific to Java code but specific to Unicode.
Unicode states that each character is assigned a number which is unique, this number is called code point.
The relationship between characters and code points is 1:1.
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מעיל אחד בגשם, לילה של אפריל
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Edited by: charllescuba1008 on Mar 31, 2009 2:08 PM

charllescuba1008 wrote:
Unicode states that each character is assigned a number which is unique, this number is called code point. Right.
The relationship between characters and code points is 1:1.Uhm .... let's assume "yes" for the moment. (Note that the relationship between the Java type char and code point is not 1:1 and there are other exceptions ...)
Eg: the String *"hello"* (which is sequence of character literals) can be represent by the following Code Points
*\u0065 \u0048 \u006c \u006c \u006f*Those are the Java String unicode escapes. If you want to talk about Unicode Codepoints, then the correct notation for "Hello" would be
U+0048 U+0065 U+006C U+006C U+006F
Note that you swapped the H and e.
I also read that a certain character code point must be recognized by a specific encoding or else a question mark (?) is output in place of the character.This one is Java specific. If Java tries to translate some unicode character to bytes using some encoding that doesn't support that character then it will output the byte(s) for "?" instead.
Not all code points can be recognized by an encoding.Some encodings (such as UTF-8) can encode all codepoints, others (such as ISO-8859-*, EBCDIC or UCS-2) can not.
So, the letter *ל* would not be recognized by all encodings and should be replaced by a question mark (?) right?Only in a very specific case in Java. This is not a genral Unicode-level rule.
(disclaimer: the HTML code presented was using decimal XML entities to represent the unicode characters).
What you are seing is possibly the replacement character that your text rendering system uses to represent characters that it knows, but can't display (possibly because the current font has no character for them).

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