Untagged color profiles

When I assign a color profile to an AI document and check Embed ICC profiles in the Save dialog, the profile shows up in Bridge metadata as "untagged." In the InDesign Links panel, the profiles for my PS files is correctly listed, but the color profile info for my AI files is blank.
Is there some reason this is happening? Notes: When I assign the profile, I see a slight shift in the color on the monitor, so I'm pretty sure something is happening. Also, the working profile is the same as the profile I'm assigning.
I've just sent some InD files to Hong Kong for wet proofs, so I'll find out soon enough from the print service bureau if this is actually a problem. But I'd still like to know why I don't see the profiles in Bridge and InD.
Thanks in advance.
Toni

I've never seen the Info panel display the profile for a PDF, which makes sense because a PDF could have any number of objects with different profiles, color spaces, and resolutions (which one should be displayed?). Here's what I get with a Photoshop PDF:
because ID doesn't want a PDF placed...or something like that?
There's no problem placing PDF's and ID will honor their profiles if the document's policy is preserve. It doesn't recognize Output Intents so maybe you are saving as PDF/X-1a?
so ID is defaulting to SWOP (our working space in color settings)
ID looks to the document assignment first, so if the assignment (Edit>Assign Profiles) is SWOP, it will use SWOP no matter what the current Color Setting's Working Space is. If there's no assignment then it falls back to the Working Space.
Like policies the document profile is assigned when the doc is created and it would be up to you to change it from Assign or Convert to Profiles if needed—changing the Color Setting's Working Space has no effect on existing documents unless its policy was set to Off.
Again there has to be a source profile for there to be color conversions—including the conversion to monitor RGB for display. It's completely logical to make the assumed source profile of untagged CMYK files Document CMYK.

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Is it necessary to have a color profile for a print at photo lab tagged in the file or better not?
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Since you say the printer "prints in color profile sRGB", it sounds as though you should save your images tagged with the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 color profile.
If I'm understanding you correctly "Lab" does not mean "print lab", it's an acronym that describes an alternate color space for representing an image, fundamentally different from RGB. Print houses normally don't expect an image to be sent to them in Lab mode.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lab_color_space
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I am running CS5 on a Windows 7 machine.
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Can anyone help and tell me how to tag my InDesign documents in the correct way. I am also having the same issues with pdf files which are generally created from InDesign with a color intent specified.
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Thanks Peter and Rob
This has answered my question, particularly for InDesign files I will just ignore it, but it would be help if Bridge could somehow acknowledge it does have colour profiles assigned as this is misleading.
Also regarding the PDF's I create I always convert all images to CMYK and list an intent profile, surely this should then have the CMYK profile tagged?

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How to change the estimated color profile of untagged pictures to sRGB/RGB, if color profile is Adobe RGB?
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With an average monitor what you see on-screen is already soft proofed to sRGB (or something very close to it), because that's all the monitor is capable of displaying anyway. So soft proofing to sRGB won't tell you anything. You won't see any difference.
In Photoshop it sounds as if you assign profiles. That's not the way to do it. If you convert correctly you won't see any difference. Same principle as above: there may be clipping in the process, but what you see on screen is already clipped, so no visual on-screen difference.
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It looks like the developer of ExifTools GUI is no longer supporting it:
http://u88.n24.queensu.ca/exiftool/forum/index.php?topic=5370.0
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I've uploaded a ZIP file, which contains a folder with everything you need. Download, unzip, and place the folder anywhere on your HDD. Copy and paste the shortcut 'ExifToolGUI 3.38 (ExifTools 9.47)' that's in the folder to your desktop. Nothing is installed – Exif GUI is a standalone app. If it doesn't open you may need to right-click on the shortcut and selct 'Run As Administrator.'
https://www.hightail.com/download/elNLb3BOQ1JTSUFsYzhUQw
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Bridge doesn't recognize color profiles

Dear Adobe community,
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My color profiles does´nt show in bridge

Before going totally insane i ask here....
im useing CS4 premium
Images: .psd, gif, jpg ect shows tagged colorprofiles in bridge
But InDesign Documents and illustrator documents shows colorprofiles as :untagged
WHY?! I have assigned a profile etc etc and no matter what it says: Untagged
im going ballistic. Cant you tag a colorprofile to a indesign/illustrator document ore what is going on?!
Even my PDF´s are :Untagged
I use color management in Bridge with same settings for all programs: Preserve color profils...etc
My god- someone please help coz im going absolutely desperate
tnx guys

I do not know anything about InDesign or Illustrator., and have not had to get into color profiles. Having said that I believe Bridge writes that info to XMP file, unless you have it in database (which some experts say in lunacy).
I do know that Illustrator uses a data base for keywords and perhaps the other stuff as well. If you want Bridge to read it you have to check some option that says something like - export data to metadata.
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