Update on 875 and 865 next bios release

Question

me .when is the next 875 and 865 bios due for release
msi.It will be release by 8/27
quote: me
and that dates for both boards yes?
msi.Yes
quote: me
can i assume the raid 1 bits been added in as you said a few weeks ago
msi.It was still not added as according to the test engineer, the Intel RAID 1 BIOS still has problem which is not yet resolved. So it might have to wait for the next further revision
so there you go thats what they have to say

Answer 1

"There is a BIOS setting in the 875 where you can choose Performance Mode: Slow, Medium, Fast, Ultra Fast or something to the extent. Is that the overclocking mechanism? "
No MSI calls that "MAT"  There is some dispute as to exavtly what "MAT" is.
In my testing of "MAT" it is nothing more than ram presets. MSI, unlike other MB companies, for some reason has not figured out how to properly enable The PAT function.
For instance, if you choose "slow mode" your memory timings become locked in that mode. MSI erroneously claims that this feature "turns off MAT".. Try it and see for yourself. No matter what you set your dram timings to under slow mode, they will be the SPD of your ram PERIOD. This is a "fact" not my opinion.
My advice to MSI would be to completly "turn off this feature" until they learn to properly utilize the Intel 875's PAT capabilities.
It appears MSI is completly at a loss with this board at this current time.
Now it has been said to me that I am accusing "MSI" OF Being dishonest. In fact I am accusing the enigeers at MSI of being exactly that. They are not going to tell people, even people in their own CO that "we just are at a loss up until this time figuring out how to properly ultilize MAT, PAT, ETC.. Amd/or "we cannot get Intels 3.5 SATA ICH5R'S 0 function to properly run either. This is the contention I had with the moderator here. I could have said it in a nicer way, but It is clear people are confused by these issues.
Clearly, if this is the case, If the problem lies with Intel, then why have other MB CO'S Properly implemented the 3.5 bios? The answer needs not to be spoken again, it speaks for itself, the answer is common sense.
There are certain people in MSI'S Marketing depo that obviously have been given false information concerning this feature.. Well I will give you an example just how far MSI is lagging with utilizing the PAT function;
It was not until Bios revison 1.5 that MSI even introduced this MAT to the 875 bios. This indicates clearly that MSI did not utilize Intel's PAT function at all out of the box in the proper manner.
I am not here to "pick" on MSI.. This 875 bnoard can be a nice board. The problem is that MSI rushed this board to market when clearly it really still is a "beta board"
To clear this point up;
There is NO DOT FUNCTION on the 875 board. That function is the screen that automates overclocking with selected preset configurations. See for yourselves. Look on your MSI Boxes.. Do you see the DOT logo? Now look on the 865 boards, you will indeed find the DOT logo..Simple enough right?
DOT has names like "Captain" "Seargent" ETC.. If you can find that on The current 1.60 875 bios, ILL EAT MY OWN SHORTS!! DOT has nothing to do with PAT, while MAT "semi has something to do with it"
In my opinion, MSI needs to integrate their "MAT" with the proper "PAT" functions.An example would be;
MAT settings.. SLOW, FAST, TURBO, ULTRA TURBO.
PAT settings.. ENABLED, AUTO, DISABLED..
When set to disabled this would "grey out" all MAT serttings and give ram configurations back to the end user.
The above is THE RIGHT WAY TO ULTILIZE PAT..
The board itself has nice features. The major issue here is poor bios enigeering.. This is not meant to be an insult to MSI. If they work hard anough at this issue, WITHOUT SEEKING SHORCUTS AND BITCHING AND BLAMING INTEL, they should be able to implement the proper bios settings eventually.
Until then, do not expect top performance combined with stability from your 875 boards.. Gigabyte is having some similar issues.
All The MB CO'S had or have issues with PAT to a certain degree. However some, which I will not name becausae I promised the moderator I would not, have already correctly figured things out.. There are 2 that have that I am aware of. One I have already mentioned, the other one I was a little suprised that they did figure things out.. being that this other one is known for high rma's because of their tweaked out Bios features.(which people screw up)
MSI; do not blame the problems on Intel, you are commited to this board, its in market, FIX IT.. Hire the right guys if needed that have the knowlege and skill to do so. If not, scrap it and start over with another board.
BE HONEST, this includes telling your marketing people the truth. "we are having issues correctly implementing PAT on the new 875 boards, we apologize and are working on it very hard to better serve you OUR CUSTOMERS"  
Deceiving the end user to the point he/she becomes confused over this issue, I will not stand around for. To the moderator; I have not rudly bashed on MSI, Nor have I named called them. It is up to you whether or not you wish to delete this post, or do the right thing and let people decide for themselves.. Again concerning this man named "Larry" I was not calling him a liar either. Let me ask you what does Larry do at MSI? Marketing? Correct me if I am wrong but if he is not in Asia, then he has nothing to do with the engineering of this board, and my contention is not with him.
See, I am for the end user, "WE THE USER".. Knowledge in our hands is power, and power to make the right decisions for our computer systems and peace of mind knowing they will work as advertised. I beleive we need to hold all CO'S to their words, otherwise, we the people will continue to be ripped off to a degree, constantly facing "buyers remorse."  Peace