Updating from Tiger to Snow Leopard without buying the Mac Box Set

Is it possible to update from Tiger to Snow Leopard without buying the Mac Box Set? My sister already has iLife 09 so I could borrow it and simply buy Snow Leopard. Is that possible or would it still violate the licensing agreement?

R C-R:
Barry Hemphill wrote:
You will note that Apple says that the upgrade is for OS X 10.5 users.
Note that this does not say Snow Leopard is not an upgrade for 10.4 users.
Did you read item C from the license link you posted (underline was added for emphasis)?
Leopard Upgrade Licenses. If you have purchased an Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer _as long as that computer has a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it._ If you have purchased a Family Pack Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-branded computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household (as defined above), are used by persons who occupy that same household, and each such computer has a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it. The Family Pack Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard License does not extend to business or commercial users.
The OP asked about using the upgrade (and, obviously, try to avoid buying the box set) to move from OS X 10.4 to OS X 10.6. I mentioned the license agreement to allow the OP to make their own decision.
Barry

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Updated From Tiger to snow leopard

Hi all. Wondering if anyone can walk me through the process of upgrading my 10.4 to 10.6. i ordered an external hard drive (IOMEGA MINIMAX 2TB) to back up my current files and bought the newest box set (ilife 11). I haven't used any kind of back up system prior to this so I don't want to lose anything in the process of upgrading. I guess I could use help with all of it.
1. backing up my current files
2. upgrading to 10.6
Anyone up for the task? Thanks in advance.

Hi Robert,
Backing up first is a --good--- great idea.
Get carbon copy cloner to make an exact copy of your old HD to the New one...
http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html
Or SuperDuper...
http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/
That should put us on safe footing, just boot from the external drive to test it out for being complete first.
The default install of 10.6.x is to do what used to be called an Archive and Install feature, which can give you a new OS, yet preserve your files and settings if you have enough room on your HD...
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107120
No worry there.
On iLife 11, there have been some problems if you have a lot of previous iLife App's data. Will wait to here on that from you, but hold off installing that part for right now.

Any way to upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard without a working CD drive?

I have an older MacBook (maybe 5 years old). I'm running 10.4.11. I was happy with that until I bought an IPad. It wants Snow Leopard. But I just dicsovered that my CD drive has stopped accepting discs. I've tried everything suggested to fix it outside of taking the machine apart.
How can I upgrade to Snow Leopard now without it? Can it be done at an Apple store? I don't have an external drive.

Snow Leopard comes on a DVD. I believe your Mac has a CD/DVD disc drive.
It's possible that your disc drive has some dust inside. You can buy a disc drive cleaner disc. Might fix it. If not, the best solution is to replace the disc drive. Another option is to buy an external disc drive.
That said, if you have access to another Intel processor Mac, you can use a technique as described in the following links.
Installing OS X 10.4 'Tiger' on DVD-Challenged Macs Using FireWire Target Disk Mode @ http://lowendmac.com/misc/06/0710.html
Installing Tiger Without a DVD Drive
http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2005/05/thecats_mustachesinstalling.html
How To: Installing Tiger Using FireWire Target Disk Mode
http://www.applelinks.com/index.php/more/osx_odyssey_752_how_to_installing_tiger_using_firewire_target_diskmode/
 Cheers, Tom

Buying the Mac Box Set, where?

I need to upgrade from Lion to Leopard, Can't find it anywhere in the store. Can someone post the link?

In another post Kappy gave the following advise for a Tiger to SL upgrade:
"Before upgrading do the following:
Repair the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your Snow Leopard Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Utilities menu. After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior and/or Tech Tool Pro to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.
If all is OK then continue with the installation of Snow Leopard."

What problems are associated with an upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard?

Hi folks.
Is it possible to upgrade directly from Tiger to Snow Leopard, without having to buy Leopard? I've seen many answers around the web, many of them conflicting. There appear to be possible associated problems if you bypass Leopard. But as I'm not certain that what I read is correct I thought I'd come straight to the Community and ask.
Thanks in advance.
(Only reason I'm asking is I persuaded my mother to buy her first Mac (second hand) and it has Tiger loaded onto it. I'd like her to have a more up to date software.)

The computer has to be an Intel Mac.
The basic requirements for Snow Leopard are as follows:
An Apple computer with an Intel Processor
1GB of Memory (RAM)
5GB of hard drive space (Storage)
DVD drive for installation
You can go directly from Tiger to Snow.
Possible problems: make sure the current third party Tiger apps will be compatible. 1 GB RAM is bare bones. You want more than that.
Before upgrading make sure you have the current Mac configuration backed up completely. Use a cloning program like Carbon Copy Cloner to make a bootable clone on an external drive.
http://www.bombich.com/
Message was edited by: WZZZ

Can I Upgrade Directly From Tiger To Snow Leopard?

I'm operating OS X 10.4.11 (Tiger) on a pre-2008 Macbook with an Intel processor. I'd like to upgrade to Snow Leopard.
After doing a little research, I didn't see anything on the Snow Leopard packaging or on the Apple website which clearly states this, but can I upgrade directly to Snow Leopard? The Apple Store says Tiger users must buy the Mac Box Set (which includes iLife '09 and iWork '09). I really don't want to since I don't plan to use the features of iWork and can purchase iLife '09 separately.
Basically, my question is, can I upgrade to Snow Leopard (using a Snow Leopard upgrade @ $29) and, if so, will my prior version of iLife still function or will I be forced to upgrade to iLife '09. I'd rather pay $95 for things I know I would use, compared to $170 for extra, unused software.
Message was edited by: Ken Kasten

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/popups/upgrade-requirements-overlay.htm l
"Snow Leopard Upgrade Requirements
Snow Leopard requires an Intel-based Mac.
Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard users, buy the upgrade.
Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger users, buy the Mac Box Set."
I don't think there is any technical limitation to installing a clean 10.6 "upgrade" on a compatible machine, running either 10.4 or 10.5, however, the 10.6 license, that buyers must agree with, relies on the "honor system" for compliance.
I am about to upgrade my black MacBook to 10.6 with the Box Set, my Intel MacBook shipped with 10.4, one of the later models not long before 10.5 came out, and as I skipped 10.5, the 10.6 Box Set seems to be the only option, even though I am not interested in iWork so much.

Applications on MacBook run slow since upgraded from Tiger to Snow Leopard

I have upgraded my MacBook from Tiger to Snow Leopard. After the upgrade, my Mac runs very slowly and it takes several minutes to load a program. I cannot use my graphic softwares and firefox properly, because it takes several minutes to actually start up the application and also to use the application.
My MacBook states that 45 GB from a total of 110 GB are available space. Do I need to upgrade my HardDrive disk space, or do I need to upgrade my Ram?? What can I do so that my applications/software on my MacBook runs quicker (as they have been prior the Snow Leopard upgrade)?
Please advise! Details of my MacBook below.
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.16 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 4 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 667 MHz

Hi...If it were my MacBook I would repair permissions via Disk Utility...(in your Applications > Utilities) folder......as well as 'Verify Disk' while you are in the Disk Utility....both functions are under the 'First Aid' tab...single click 'MacIntosh HD' to select it (left column) and then run First Aid.....see what that shows and does first
Expect some odd error messages while repairing permissions....ignore them...

Can I Install Snow Leopard over Tiger, without the Mac Box Set?

I've just spoken to an Apple advisor in Canada and he told me that I could buy the Snow Leopard CD and install it on my MacBook that has Tiger, and I wouldn't need to buy the Mac Box Set. He said that since the Mac Box Set isn't available anymore Apple put the full software on the CD instead of just the upgrade.
However I get a contradictory information on the Apple website.
What is true?
Félix

vitamine10 wrote:
Well, thanks everyone. ...So I've ordered the DVD (thank you) and will finally find out who's right and who's wrong.
Write to you later.
Félix
And we will all await your reply and your indicating which of us is "Correct" and "Helpful" as you suggest.
While you are awaiting shipment, you might enjoy reading the following that were published soon after SL arrived on the scene:
Scroll down to the last 2 paragraphs in the first section before the heading Installation - it's a bit of a way down:
http://allthingsd.com/20090826/apple-changes-leopards-spots/
And this which sites the above article:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/27/apples_snow_leopard_disc_will_inst all_on_tiger_macs.html
Mrs H

I am upgrading from Tiger to Snow Leopard. I keep getting an error when I try to load the Mac Os x update combined. It says that it was corrupted during download. Have try loading from Apple website V10.6.7 upgrade combined but it still won't do it?

I have an Intel Desktop iMac and I am upgrading from Tiger to Snow Leopard. I keep getting an error when it tries to load the Mac OS X update combined. It says that it was corrupted during download. Have try loading from Apple website Mac OS X V10.6.7 upgrade combined but it still won't do it? Any other suggestions. The printer is not working either - I am not sure if they are connected. Everything else is fine.

Please excuse, but I have to ask an obvious question: Did you already update using the Snow Leopard Retail install DVD? (You must do this first; 10.6.7 is just an update if you already have 10.6.) Are you, then, trying to update from whatever version was on the install DVD to 10.6.7?
Otherwise, I'd keep trying. The 10.6.7 Combo is a huge update.

Am replacing airport extreme with Time Machine and want to upgrade from Tiger to Snow leopard. Am told I should manually back up into T Machine before OS update but set up utility won't allow anything with OS below 10.5 and I'm 10.4.11. What to do?

Am replacing airport extreme with Time Machine and want to upgrade from Tiger to Snow leopard. Am told I should manually back up into T Machine before OS update but set up utility won't allow anything with OS below 10.5 and I'm 10.4.11. What to do?

I think you mean you are replacing your Airport Extreme with a Time Capsule. Time Machine is software integrated into OS X 10.5 & 10.6 used to automatically backup a system to an external HD. Time Capsule is an Airport Extreme that has a hard disk integrated into it that can be used for storage or as a Time Machine backup drive.
Because you are currently on Tiger 10.4.x you can backup to a external HD using SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner. Having a backup is very wise before doing any major system update. After you have created the backup and have successfully upgraded to Snow Leopard you can still use the external HD for many things. The strategy I'd recommend is to use the new Time Capsule as your Time Machine backup and then use the external HD as backup using SuperDuper or CCC. Redundant backups is wise because backups can (and do) fail too! In addition both SD and CCC are bootable clones, this is useful in that if your internal HD crashes you can boot from a cloned drive and continue working until the internal HD is replaced.
Below are some links to some articles from MacWorld, I would recommend reading them where you find a common theme, redundant backups. Backup Plan I, Backup Plan II & Backup Plan III.
Roger

Clarification on upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard

I know that this topic has been covered, but Apple's wording makes me very curious, and I am wondering if it is still actually possible to install Snow Leopard on a Tiger machine without buying the box set.
They say that Tiger users should buy the box set, but it doesn't explicitly say that Tiger users MUST purchase the box set. Furthermore, the system requirements only state that the Leopard installation requires an Intel-based mac, which could include systems with either Tiger or Leopard.
My guess is that the box set simply includes the exact same Snow Leopard install disc and also has the updated iLife software so that Tiger users can be up-to-date. Although, it is always possible that Snow Leopard won't install on a Tiger mac without the iLife discs I suppose...
I am not trying to be cheap, I'm already purchasing SL for my Intel Mac Mini that already has Leopard, but I'm wondering if I should spring for the family pack to also install it on my Tiger-based Intel Macbook. There's a pretty big price leap between the $49 family pack and the $229 box-set family pack.
If anyone actually tries this or knows a definitive answer, other than the vague wording on Apple's webpage, I'd love to know! Thanks much.
Nate

I see where you're coming from.
The site reads "Upgrade from Leopard for just $29". There's nothing that says you can't upgrade from Tiger for $29.
It also says "Snow Leopard is an upgrade for Leopard users and requires a Mac with an Intel processor". Technically, Snow Leopard is also an upgrade for Tiger.
The boxed set is tagged "Upgrade your Mac experience: With Snow Leopard, iLife ’09, and iWork ’09 all in one box, the Mac Box Set is the best way to upgrade your Mac experience, especially if you’re still using Mac OS X Tiger."
There is no mention of an "upgrade edition" of Snow Leopard anywhere and there's no verbiage to suggest that there are version checks on the $29 disk. There is nothing stating that you can't use the $29 disk to upgrade Tiger.
While the marketing pushes you that direction there is nothing anywhere that says that Tiger users MUST buy the boxed set.
There is no evidence that there is a technical or licensing limitation preventing using the $29 Snow Leopard disk to be used to upgrade Tiger 100% legally.
Everything is so carefully worded that it's not unreasonable to suspect that Tiger users can upgrade to Snow Leopard with the $29 disk legally and easily.

Upgraded from Tiger to Snow Leopard - now have problems with basic apps?

I have a 2007 iMac (5.1, 2007) dual core. It's capable of running Snow Leopard and Lion (but not, I believe ML).
I just bought the upgrade SL discs from Apple and installed them as an upgrade, moving up to 10.6.3 (from the discs). After running software update I'm now on 10.6.8.
Since upgrading I've successfully run Time Machine. However I have the following problems:-
A bunch of emails were present in the Inbox, but contained no body text - just the subject line. I have managed to since find most of them successfully from TM. This is a minor annoyance but I thought I'd mention it.
ITunes won't boot up. It booted the first time I tried it, but since then the little icon just bounces up and down.
Certain apps won't quit properly. I quit from the top menu, but the little blue light remains under the icon in the dock. I then have to 'Force Quit - Application Not Responding' *every time*.
Safari frequently won't load up bookmarked or seach pages, the progress bar gets stuck part way across and I stare at the rainbow pinwheel for ages, before having to quit, then Force Quit, then restart Safari and try again.
Now, I'm tempted to do a Clean Install, but after four international moves (Singapore-Australia-UK-Canada) I no longer have any of the original discs, and thus as I understand it will lose iLife. And iLife 11 needs Lion.
I've done a disc permissions repair thing via the Mac Disc Utility. I've run a few clean-up operations via Onyx.
Any suggestions gratefully received. My Mac as been running great for years, but this upgrade has been extremely disappointing thus far.
thanks
Feargus

Hi baltwo
Many thanks for your advice. I've read all the links and will be buying a 2nd external HD to do a SuperDuper back up. I already had a 1Tb drive with Maxtor back up on it, and I also managed to get a Time Machine back up as well, so at least my data should be safe.
Qn - If I back up the System and Utility folders as well as the Home folder, I don't suppose I can restore them after an install and everything (eg iLife) will 'just work'?
Anyway, I went straight from Tiger to Snow Leopard. I don't have any Tiger discs either (see reasons above) so now have no way of restoring original set up. I tried to boot from the SL install CD and then hold 'C' but must be getting something wrong as I don't get the Disk Utility pop up. It just boots as normal to the desktop.
Anyway, via the normal Disc Utitlity I've done a Repair Permissions again with no major issues. However, my Onyx software now won't run at all so I can't clean any caches a second time.
I've contacted the Apple rep who sold be the SL discs but she's not got back to me yet re iLife.
This weekend I'm going to try a fresh upgrade. If that fails I'll try Erase and Install, if I can get the 'C' button timing right. I'll update if I have any successs.
cheers
f

I want to upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard...I'm apprehensive about Lion.

I've been hearing so many "glitch" anecdotes about Lion. Until these problems are resolved
I want to upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard but I'll be buying a new Apple computer to
do that..
I presently have a a 10.4 iMAC with only 2.33 GB of memory and I'm getting a new puter
in order to have 4 GB. Is it recommended to use Lion with a new Apple computer or can I use
Snow Leopard without missing out on anything? Are the stories about Lion just the usual thing
that always happens with a new upgrade? Tiger has worked perfectly for me for 6 years but that
has been on computer that is 6 years old. (POWERPC) Does a new iMAC computer with intel
require the latest operating system to work at top efficiency? Is my apprehension about Lion
an over reaction to anecdotal info?

Some of this is answered best by knowing what model computers are involved. If you are truly getting a brand new (as opposed to a newer used) computer then it will likely come with Lion installed, unless there's some old stock (which even then would have Lion installed but could still run under Snow Leopard which you would have to buy separately). Macs will normally only run the version system that comes installed, or newer, so if you are getting a brand new Mac you won't have any choice but to run Lion (or its successors). It won't run Snow Leopard unless it is a new used computer.
As for Lion stories, those would best be answered on the Lion forum. I still run Tiger which I why I'm on this forum. There's always issues with any upgrade. For me the biggest drawback to Lion is all my software is PPC generation and Lion stopped supporting PPC completely. If I got a brand new computer I would also have to upgrade all my software which could easily run to over a thousand dollars more.

Upgraded from TIGER to SNOW LEOPARD

Hello,
How can I uprade from TIGER to SNOW LEOPARD? Do I simply use the upgrade snow leopard to do so? Will that create any instability or issues?
thank you very much.
Alex

Yes, you can upgrade from Tiger to Snow by purchasing the SL DVD. Doing so would only create stability problems if you already have problems, so you should be sure you have a clean system before upgrading. See the following:
System Upgrade and Installation Procedure
Basic Caveats
1. Disconnect all peripherals except the original mouse and keyboard.
2. Quit all applications if this is not an installation from an Installer DVD.
3. The installation process should not be interrupted. If a power outage or other interruption occurs during installation you may have to erase the hard drive and reinstall from scratch.
4. Once the installation begins do not use the computer in any way except to reply to dialog prompts or to restart when the installation is completed. This is especially critical during the installation stage known as "Optimizing the System."
System Update Procedure
A. Repair hard drive and permissions.
Repairing the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger or Leopard.) After DU loads select your OS X volume from the list on the left, click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now restart normally.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior (4.1 for Leopard) and/or TechTool Pro (4.6.2 for Leopard) to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X. Note that Disk Warrior will not work on Intel Macs.
B. Clone your existing system to an external Firewire drive.
How to Clone Using Restore Option of Disk Utility
1. Open Disk Utility from the Utilities folder.
2. Select the startup or source volume from the left side list.
3. Click on the Restore tab in the DU main window.
4. Drag the startup or source volume to the Source entry field.
5. Select the backup or destination volume from the leftside list and drag it to the Destination entry field.
6. Check the box to Erase Destination. Skip this step if you've already formatted the drive.
7. Double-check you got it right, then click on the Restore button.
C. Decide upon an installation option (This does not apply to Snow Leopard.)
You have three upgrade options. If you use the Upgrade installation option be sure you have repaired the hard drive and permissions first and made your backup. If you choose the Archive and Install option then you only need to repair the hard drive.
Neither of the above options will erase the disk. Some of your software may not work with a new system. You will need to upgrade those programs. It would be best to do the upgrades to your software before upgrading to the new system version.
Personally, I would erase the hard drive and do a fresh install of Snow Leopard then use Migration Assistant to migrate your old Home folder from the backup. This may take some extra time but is less likely to have problems that may be the result of an upgrade installation.

Want to upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard

I spent over an hour through the apple store web site and cant find a way to upgrade directly from Mac OS 10.4 Tiger to the latest Snow Leopard version.
The Apple web site gives only one purchase possibility : to upgrade from Leopard 10.5 to Snow Leopard 10.6. But how to upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard ?

Francois Dormoy wrote:
I spent over an hour through the apple store web site and cant find a way to upgrade directly from Mac OS 10.4 Tiger to the latest Snow Leopard version.
The Apple web site gives only one purchase possibility : to upgrade from Leopard 10.5 to Snow Leopard 10.6. But how to upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard ?
this has been oft asked and answered. you can buy a Macbox set which will give you snow leopard, ilife and and iwork. or you can buy a $29 standalong snow leoaprd dvd although there is a big disagreement on the board whether using it to go from tiger to snow leopard directly violates ULA (I think it does). but the actual disk is the same as in the macbox set and either one will upgrade you to SL.

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