Updating indesign Pantone swatch books

why is it that the pantone book references in design cs4 do not tally up with the pantone books that i have, i am using up to date books with with like for like matches i.e pantone solid uncoated in indesign and in the reference book, yet there is a difference in the conversion breakdowns?
are there up to date books for me to download and import in instead? if so where do i find them?

Go to:
http://www.pantone.com/pages/Products/Product.aspx?pid=1013&ca=1
Click Download tab and register your Pantone Book (you need a serial for that, it should be somewhere in the book).
After that you may download and install Pantone Color Manager software. With it you should be able to add new books to your InDesign. I have not tried that myself yet, so I can´t help you any further....

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PMS swatch converted to CMYK does not match colour values of Pantone Colour Book

I am working in Adobe Illustrator CS6 and InDesign CS6.
When I create a swatch using Pantone colour books (solid coated) and then convert the swatch to CMYK the values differ between programs and also differ to my hard copy of Pantone Colour Bridge.
I have followed the Workaround 1 on http://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/kb/pantone-plus.html#main-pars_text_11 which was helpful - now the CMYK values produced in Illustrator and InDesign match HOWEVER they still differ from my hard copy of Pantone Colour Bridge.
I copied the leagacy files from CS4 - is it possible the CMYK values embedded in these files are out of date or is it possible that the CMYK values in the Colour Bridge book have since changed?

Pantone has updated their CMYK match values for PMS colors over time, and so has Adobe. Adobe and pantone have their own values or matches, so they have never matched.
The values between CS6 Illustrator and InDesign should have matched (atleast the files are named exactly the same), so not sure going back to CS4 swatches wasa a good move for you, unless you have a load of older files you are trying to match.
The biggest differences between updates to the swatch colors you will see in tradeoffs between CMY & K.
If you want your CMYK matches for PMS colors to match your bridge book, you may have to manually make a color book .ase file yourself, or try downloading the pantone color manager. Pantone has made this a complicated, multistep process relying on registering a product. Pantone has a history of failed digital products, and using bait & swtich tactics, so do not trust anything they have to offer anymore, but they were in the right place at the right time and exist as the standard for spot color in the US & some other countries.
http://www.pantone.com/pages/pantone/pantone.aspx?pg=21054&ca=12
http://pantone.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1803

Can not find pantone+ swatches in InDesign CS6, such as 2239c?

How do I find the pantone+ swatches in InDesign CS6, such as 2239c? It is not visible in the swatches panel? Can anyone else see this swatch in Indesign Cs6 or Illustrator Cs6?

From the Swatches panel Flyout menu, choose New swatch.
In the new swatch definition dialog, under Type choose Spot, and under Mode choose Pantone + Solid Coated.
There are some legacy colors that are not included inthe Pantone + series. You can add these to both ID and Illustrator by following the directions in Pantone Plus color libraries (Thanks, Vikrant ).
2239 isn't in my old swatchbooks as a spot color or the legacy books for the program, either. Are you sure that's a vaild number? Perhaps youpi really mean 223-9, a light blue-gray process color? If that's the case, you'd need to specify Process instead of Spot, and choose the appropriate book fromthe mode dropdown. The 223 series seems not be included in the + books, but it is inthe legacy books if you add them according to the instuctions in the link above.

Indesign CS4 Pantone color book, Solid Coated giving the wrong color

I am trying to add a Panton color to my swatches panel. Under Swatches I am selecting "New Color Swatch -> Color Type: Spot ->Color Mode: Solid Coated". What happens next is get a box where I can type the Pantone number I would like ... to the left of this box it reads "Pantone DS". So all of the color choices I might make are not for "Solid Coated" but rather for "DS". I have no idea what "DS" is and it is not what I selected. I selected "Solid Coated". Once again, I am using Indesign CS4 on a Mac Pro ... still running OS 10.4. Can someone please assist me?
Thank you in advance.

Thank you for your response. I have checked the pulldown menu several times. I have checked again as of reading your response. It seems that no matter what Pantone choice I select under the Color mode I get your second window that you posted. On top of that, I have captured the window that comes up when I initially start the add new color swatch .... it looks like this ....
Please notice that the Pantone DS is already beside where you would key in the Pantone number, even though the color mode I am in is CMYK. This does not change when I switch to Spot as shown below.
So I do not believe there is something flawed about my method. It seems as if the Pantone Color Book information is missing for everything else other than the Process Coated.

Indesign Pantone Issue (cannot create swatch library)

Help please.
I know this topic has been discussed (Pat Davis - 04:31pm May 28, 2008) but there didn't appear to be a solution. I'm running 10.4.11 on a Power Mac G4. Indesign CS2 has decided to give me the message "Cannot create swatch library. There are no swatches in the file...Presets: Swatch Libraries." The swatches are there! This has been going on for the last couple of days. I can create colours eg cmyk or rgb but not use and Pantone swatches. Anybody have any ideas.
Cheers Pam

Also update to 10.4.11
10.4.1 had many issues none of which were good.
Also make sure you are fully updated for CS.
after you are updated choose new swatch in the swatch pallet and choose pantone solid in the color mode pulldown.

I am missing colors in my Adobe Pantone Plus Library that are in my physical Pantone Plus Swatch Book.

I have the most recent Illustrator downloaded and the Pantone Plus Library however I cannot find some Pantone numbers that are in my physical Pantone Plus book. One specifically is PMS Blue 2384.
What do I do?

Thanks but that is not the problem. I figured it out. You have to download Pantone Color Manager Software and use the serial number from your registered Pantone Plus book to register the software. Once you do that then you can download the extra 360 colors and then export them to the Adobe programs...
Pain in the *** but it's the only way to get the extra colors in the Pantone plus book to your adobe Pantone Plus Library.The new Library is called Pantone+ V2.
Thank you for the response though!
-Ant
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Missing swatches from my Pantone+ swatch library in Illustrator (CS6) on a Mac.

Has anyone else ever been missing swatches in Illustrator for PMS colors? My client has specifically requested PMS 2230C. It is not available in my swatch library of Pantone+ solid coated swatches. I also looked for the color above it, #2229 from the same page of the printed swatch book. It too is missing. Anyone know of a fix or where specifically I can download a new swatch library file?

Here's a discussion from the InDesign forum that should answer your question:
Re: 336 new pantone colors

InDesign Pantone Issue

when trying to add swatches i get this message:
"Cannot create swatch library. There are no swatches in this file...:
This is a brand new document that I am trying to work on and want to add Pantone Solid Color swatches.
running InDesign CS on G5 Mac OS 10.4.1. I know my software is outdated but I've never had this problem before.
thanks for any info.

Also update to 10.4.11
10.4.1 had many issues none of which were good.
Also make sure you are fully updated for CS.
after you are updated choose new swatch in the swatch pallet and choose pantone solid in the color mode pulldown.

Do I need the Pantone Solids books anymore?

Anyone using Pantone Color Bridge swatch books which offers web and 4C process simulations of all spot colors? I haven't had a new pantone book in at least 15 years and decided this is the year I update.
My thinking is that since I rarely print spot color anymore, color bridge and the cmyk books (both in coated and uncoated) might be my best choice. However, though 90% of what I print is 4C digital or offset, people still request pantone colors not realizing that almost everything prints process. Pantone Essential includes spot, bridge and cmyk process. Basically, I'm on the fence regarding getting the pantone solids books which seems redundant these days in the age of short run digital printing as needed. I haven't printed LH, Env and BC solid offset in many years. Envelopes are just about the only thing I still print in PMS colors. But having said that, I print many many short run envelope jobs on my digital press (Ricoh 651EX).
I would appreciate any feedback, pro and con. Thanks.

people still request pantone colors not realizing that almost everything prints process...
Basically, I'm on the fence regarding getting the pantone solids books
I think designers often use the Pantone system as an alternate to color management, and that would work if they were always printing solid inks which of course they are not. So we see many threads about Pantone colors either printing or displaying incorrectly.
The Pantone Bridge colors are single CMYK process builds and how closely they simulate the solid ink printing in Pantone's solid ink formula guide, depends on the 4-color press conditions—the color builds are device dependent. It isn't clear what device or press conditions the Pantone Bridge colors target, but I would bet it's not your Ricoh 651EX. So you could print a Pantone Bridge swatch chart from your Ricoh 651EX and reference it rather than the Pantone solid swatch book and get more reliable color.
The alternative is to make color managed conversions from the Pantone Solid+ Lab (device independent) colors to your press profile. Whether that works depends on the accuracy of the press profile and the understanding that some colors or considerably out-of-gamut. Also using Ink Manager's Spots to Process to make the conversion can be problematic if the color is a tint. See this thread—Re: Ink Manager Bug/Problem?

Printing a color swatch book?

Does anyone know of a way to make a printable swatchbook (in CS or CS2 Indesign or in Illustrator) from any of the swatch libraries? I want to be able to print the colors on the digital press here in town, so that i can choose my colors more easily from the printout. But I have not been able to find any plugin that sets up such a document.
Thanx!

First, I don't know of any plugin like that, but many digital output devices come with charts that can be printed showing mixes of CMYK in stepped increments, and some even have selected Pantone solid charts, I think. Ask the printer what he can give you, and think about what colors you REALLY plan to use, and make your own chart with just those -- a lot less work than a whole swatch book.
Second, if this is truly a digital "press" and not just a color copier (and sometimes even then) there's a reasonable chance that the printer actually tries to keep it calibrated and has a custom profile he can give you, which in conjunction with your calibrated monitor, can be used in your color managed workflow to provide reasonably accurate on-screen soft proofing.
Third, even if you print a chart or swatch book, it's only reflective of the particular moment in time when it was printed. Digital color is probably more variable than litho, being highly sensitive to to things like humidity, and apparently the time of day and the phases of the moon. The first print off in the morning is likely to look much different than the last of the day. My local guy, for example, has to run around a hundred clicks before the magenta kicks in properly on the blacks.
Take any printed chart or profile with a grain of salt unless the printer is really conscientious about daily (or even hourly) calibration and guarantees the match.
Peter

Pantone books in CS5 vs Pantone Plus books in CC

Hi All,
After a recent upgrade from CS5 to Creative Cloud, I created a new graphic using our corporate Pantone Colour (PMS 541u), but when I sent it to (digital) printing, I discovered that it did not print the colour we were expecting.
I understand that the new Pantone Plus books no longer have CMYK values attached to the PMS colours, instead they only use LAB colours, so rather than the old way of printing using the CMYK values linked to the spot colour chosen, it now converts the Spot colour to a LAB colour, then to a CMYK colour that is completely different to the CMYK values linked to the 'old' PMS colours.
Given that it is imperative for us to ensure that our corporate colours reproduce as close to the colours on our packaging (there are 20 different products that are printed in true spot PMS colours), this makes it very difficult to match colours now.
I have tried using the new 'colour bridge' colours, but again, they're completely different to the old PMS colours and the new Plus colours. We use both coated and uncoated stock, so we need both the 'u' and 'c' CMYK values depending on what stock we're printing on.
here is an example of the variation in colour (PMS 541) that i'm experiencing, both on screen (yes I know it's not an accurate representation), and when printing digitally.
I don't particularly want to remove the new colour books and replace them with the old ones as is suggested in a few work arounds, as I want to ensure that we're using the most up to date colour profiles/books etc.
Can someone please explain what is the best way to achieve an accurate colour match when converting from PMS to CMYK for process printing?

I'd say that the answer to your final question isn't to use the old colour books. In fact, the newer, LAB-based ones will yield a better match if your settings are right.
Firstly, get your Colour Management settings right for the output conditions, by using an appropriate CMYK profile (I can't tell you which one this would be without knowing how you're printing). This way, if you convert your spot swatches to process in Illustrator, you should automatically get the closest match.
Also, you say digital printing. Many RIPs for digital presses and copiers have built-in spot colour simulation libraries, which you can manually adjust to the closest match possible. On Fiery RIPs (which I'm most familiar with), this feature is called 'Spot-On'. If you send the job to the printer with spot colour swatches intact, and named as they normally are, the RIP will convert them to the specified CMYK formulas.

Illustrator CS6 / CC and previous Pantone color books

Hi all, I've understood that Illustrator CS6 / CC has the new Pantone+ color books, those color books doesn't have CMYK values so the default of rIllustrator CS6 / CC is to use the Lab values when I add a Pantone swatches to my document. One of my customers, that is a print industry, need to have the old Pantone with CMYK values to maintain the same color rendition on old and continuative jobs. Adobe says that I can load the old Pantone color books from CS5 and change the swatches option so that Illustrator use the CMYK values: http://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/kb/pantone-plus.html The problem is that this doesn't work for me and for my customer, even if I change the swatches option Illustrator continue to load only the Lab values from the older CS5 Pantone color books... anyone of you has a solution?

I am running into the same issue. Both links suggested did not work for me. In a document I created in CS4 (the old document) and opened in CC there is a square with the color Pantone 519U in which it converts to C:67% M:100% Y:30% K:10%. These are the numbers to be expected. If I copy the square that is 519U in the old document and paste it in the same old document the color remains the same.
I create a new document in CC (the new document). From the old document I copy the Pantone 519U square and paste it in the new document. The resulting square in the new document is a washed out purple. The new document square converts to C:57.27% M:68.83% Y:35.06% K:13.06%.
Again I followed Workaround 1 in the link. I obtained the old Pantone Libraries from my CS4 machine so it is not a library issue. I have also created a new Document Profile where I set the Spot Color to be "Use CMYK values from the manufacturer's process books". I am seeing the same problem before and after the workaround.

Javascript Pantone Swatch Problem

Hello, I'm working on a script (js) which will change the color of a text to indesign-predefined swatch 'PANTONE Red 032 C'.
I've tried by creating a new swatch with similar CMYK, but i know it's not the way to do it as I need to use the predefined swatch only.
I would be grateful if someone has an idea on how to tackle this.

I think the Color Mode is restricted to RGB. CMYK, Lab, or Mixed Ink. So in AppleScript I would get the Pantone color definition and make a new color named PANTONE Red 032 C with the model as spot like this:
tell application "Adobe InDesign CS6"
    tell active document
        try
            set cs to make new color with properties {model:spot, color value:{55.29, 72, 43}, space:LAB, name:"PANTONE Red 032 C"}
        end try
    end tell
end tell
Even though it's not selected from the Pantone library it functions the same way

Disappearing Pantone swatches when using only percentages of the swatch

Hi I've come across something what might be a bug in Illustrator CS6..
Here's the thing.. I've made a design in Ai CS6 (with colorspace) and have used several Pantone swatches.
From a few Pantone colors I have used only a percentage of the color, for example the design consists of: 75% of Pantone 485 C, 32% of Pantone 1345 C and 100% of Pantone 154 C.
In the process of the design I have used several other Pantone colors which are not used in the final design, but they are still in the Swatch tab/list.
So when you click on the triangle (upper right corner) > "Select All Unused..", the Pantone colors that are only used as percentages (Pantone 485 C & Pantone 1345 C in the example) are being selected as "Unused" ?!
I have been using Ai CS4 before this version and in that version this wasn't a problem.
I could you percentages of Pantone colors without the swatch being selected as "Unused".
I really don't want to manual delete every unused swatch by dragging it into the trash bin.
It would be such a time wasting handling.
This is really inconvenient as I am working for a print and design company and need to save the Pantone colors that are used in the design, even if they are only a percentage of the Pantone swatch.
Could someone please explain to me why or what the reason is that this is happening..
Did I miss something?
Thanks!

Hello! For everyone that even after doing all of the suggestions we could find online, I finally figured it out
If you have FontExplorer Pro installed, then the plugins are the ones at fault. They released an update (that I still haven't been able to install since it gives me an error when doing so) but this are the listed bugs that were fixed:
Plugin Version for Illustrator CS 5, 5.1 and CS6
Color swatches are now correctly displayed and no longer produce an empty window.
Fixed a problem which prevented linked files from being shown or placed in an Illustrator document.
Resolved an issue which sporadically caused Illustrator to crash during font activation Font activation did not occur when document names contained an umlaut character (Ä Ö Ü)
Hope this sheds some light on this frustrating issue! I tweeted Linotype (@Linotype_com) so if anyone wants to follow them or myself @iKitty I'll be RT their answer or update when I am successful updating them.
So in the meantime, just disable the plugins and everything should be ok.

Help with determining PANTONE swatches accurately

I've recently designed a logo for an event. It's a 3-color design done entirely using process colors. The client would like the PANTONE equivalent of each color, however, and I'm having a lot of trouble figuring this all out (I'm a bit of a prepress newbie).
First of all, I have a lot of questions about the LAB view vs. CMYK view for spot colors in Illustrator:
1) The difference between the two is HUGE. In CMYK view, there is less subtlty, but the colors are vibrant and versatile. In LAB view, I can access certain colors I can't otherwise get, but most of the palette is desaturated and muddy. Is it supposed to be this way?
2) Supposedly, the LAB view for spot colors is relatively new in Illustrator. Considering how far off-base the CMYK versions of each spot swatch is, how was anyone getting work done before this feature was added? I don't understand how I could have even hoped to do spot color work using the CMYK swatches in older versions. They're entirely different colors in many cases. I must be missing something.
3) Is it accurate to say that, monitor calibration notwithstanding, and all other things being equal, the LAB view of a given spot color is more "accurate" than the CMYK version? If this is the case, the PANTONE uncoated library of solids is incredibly dull and muddy, because that's how it looks in LAB mode. I've been browsing a physical PANTONE book as well, and the colors don't appear to be nearly as bad in real life. My monitor may not be perfect, but I can't believe it's so poorly calibrated that the colors could look THIS different.
4) When viewing my work in LAB view, one of my colors translates perfectly from CMYK, while another doesn't even come close when attempting to match it with a spot color. In CMYK view, it's reversed-- the first color looks terrible, while the second actually comes pretty close. Which version can I trust? They're total opposites, making the final selection of a single swatch impossible. I'm not sure what to give my client-- if they're using an older version of Illustrator (which is likely), they'll have to see this in CMYK mode, and it will look terrible. Even a PDF I exported doesn't look right in Acrobat. How should I be approaching this?
As you can see, the seemingly simple task of selecting PANTONE swatches for 3 CMYK colors has turned into a bit of a mess. Any help with these confusions of mine would be hugely appreciated.
Thanks!

Aleister,
my simple advice concerning Spots, is this:
Buy a swatch book for Pantone Spot Coated and a swatch
book for CMYK for your Process Coated, as recommended
by your printing company (here ISO Coated, maybe SWOP
elsewhere).
Then compare visually the chosen Spot and a matching
process color.
If there is no good match, then you can print only
by Spot.
If you've found matching pairs, then you can print
letterheads by Spots and 4-color brochures by CMYK.
Personally, I'm using as equivalents for Spots only
two-color process colors, if e.g. a logo has to be
designed. This leads to minimal registration errors.
Another ugly truth is, that even an accurately calibrated
proof printing system by inkjet cannot reproduce plenty
Spots sufficiently accurate.
Meanwhile you may try to investigate all this by a true
Lab doc for common Spots:
http://www.fho-emden.de/~hoffmann/swatch16032005.pdf
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

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