Upgrade policy (upgrading from Panther to Leopard?)

Hello,
is it possible to perform a major upgrade and skip a major version (10.3 -> 10.5)? Most modern OS don't support this and I wonder whether OS X supports this.
Please don't reply if you think it does or doesn't, I need an answer from someone's 100% sure (such as someone who upgraded from Jaguar to Tiger).
Thanks.

So just to be clear, if I haven't been...
To install a new OS, you must purchase the full retail install DVD and install it. There is no way to download it like an incremental update (i.e. 10.4.9 or 10.4.10)
There are several install options to choose from, which may provide more information for you.
-mj
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Upgrading Question: From Panther to Leopard... PhotoShop 7.0 to CS3?

I just upgraded from Panther to Leopard and need to upgrade my PhotoShop 7.0 to CS3. What do I need to do to insure the upgrade is successful? And... what do I need to pull from my OS 9 before I delete it?

*"What do I need to do to insure the upgrade is successful? "*
You shouldn't have to do anything...just install CS3.
Regardless, since Photoshop is not an Apple product, you should post your questions on Adobe's discussion forums, rather than an Apple forum that focuses on the isntallation of OS X:
http://www.adobeforums.com

Upgrading from Panther to Leopard

Hello,
I wanted to upgrade my Powerbook G4 from Panther to Leopard. Was told I needed to upgrade to Tiger first then to Leopard. I bought the Leopard installation CD and will be using the Tiger installation CD that came with my MacBook. Am I good to go? I already enabled the "root" user and is trying to back up my files (which I have another problem with --- been getting error messages such as 1.) "One or more items can't be copied. Do you want to skip them and copy the remaining items? 2.) You cannot copy the item "Icon" because the name is too long or includes characters that the disk cannot display."
Would very much appreciate any help I could get =)
Many thanks!

As already mentioned you do not need to upgrade first to Tiger. In any event you cannot use an Intel version of Tiger on a PPC Mac or vice-versa. Fortunately, you can upgrade directly to Leopard from Panther or you can do an Archive and Install which is what I would recommend:
How to Perform an Archive and Install
1. Be sure to use Disk Utility first to repair the disk before performing the Archive and Install.
Repairing the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger.) After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported, then quit DU and return to the installer.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior (4.0 for Tiger) and/or TechTool Pro (4.5.2 for Tiger) to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.
2. Do not proceed with an Archive and Install if DU reports errors it cannot fix. In that case use Disk Warrior and/or TechTool Pro to repair the hard drive. If neither can repair the drive, then you will have to erase the drive and reinstall from scratch.
3. Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When you reach the screen to select a destination drive click once on the destination drive then click on the Option button. Select the Archive and Install option. You have an option to preserve users and network preferences. Only select this option if you are sure you have no corrupted files in your user accounts. Otherwise leave this option unchecked. Click on the OK button and continue with the OS X Installation.
4. Upon completion of the Archive and Install you will have a Previous System Folder in the root directory. You should retain the PSF until you are sure you do not need to manually transfer any items from the PSF to your newly installed system.
5. After moving any items you want to keep from the PSF you should delete it. You can back it up if you prefer, but you must delete it from the hard drive.
6. You can now download a Combo Updater directly from Apple's download site to update your new system to the desired version as well as install any security or other updates. You can also do this using Software Update.
DO NOT ENABLE THE ROOT USER!! It is not recommended nor necessary for backing up your data. Copying files is not how you do a proper backup. Read the following:
Basic Backup
Get an external Firewire drive at least equal in size to the internal hard drive and make (and maintain) a bootable clone/backup. You can make a bootable clone using the Restore option of Disk Utility. You can also make and maintain clones with good backup software. My personal recommendations are (order is not significant):
1. Retrospect Desktop (Commercial - not yet universal binary)
2. Synchronize! Pro X (Commercial)
3. Synk (Backup, Standard, or Pro)
4. Deja Vu (Shareware)
5. PsynchX 2.1.1 and RsyncX 2.1 (Freeware)
6. Carbon Copy Cloner (Freeware - 3.0 is a Universal Binary)
7. SuperDuper! (Commercial)
8. Intego Personal Backup (Commercial)
9. Data Backup (Commercial)
The following utilities can also be used for backup, but cannot create bootable clones:
1. Backup (requires a .Mac account with Apple both to get the software and to use it.)
2. Toast
3. Impression
4. arRSync
Apple's Backup is a full backup tool capable of also backing up across multiple media such as CD/DVD. However, it cannot create bootable backups. It is primarily an "archiving" utility as are the other two.
Impression and Toast are disk image based backups, only. Particularly useful if you need to backup to CD/DVD across multiple media.
Visit The XLab FAQs and read the FAQs on maintenance, optimization, virus protection, and backup and restore. Also read How to Back Up and Restore Your Files.
Although you can buy a complete FireWire drive system, you can also put one together if you are so inclined. It's relatively easy and only requires a Phillips head screwdriver (typically.) You can purchase hard drives separately. This gives you an opportunity to shop for the best prices on a hard drive of your choice. Reliable brands include Seagate, Hitachi, Western Digital, Toshiba, and Fujitsu. You can find reviews and benchmarks on many drives at Storage Review.
Enclosures for FireWire and USB are readily available. You can find only FireWire enclosures, only USB enclosures, and enclosures that feature multiple ports. I would stress getting enclosures that use the Oxford chipsets (911, 921, 922, for example.) You can find enclosures at places such as;
Cool Drives
OWC
WiebeTech
Firewire Direct
California Drives
NewEgg
All you need do is remove a case cover, mount the hard drive in the enclosure and connect the cables, then re-attach the case cover. Usually the only tool required is a small or medium Phillips screwdriver.
Note that before doing your backup you should do the following:
Repairing the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger and Leopard.) After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now shutdown the computer for a couple of minutes and then restart normally.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior (4.1 for Leopard) and/or TechTool Pro (4.6.1 for Leopard) to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.

Upgrade from Panther to Leopard

After buying an iPhone 3GS, I think it's time to finally perform a software upgrade. The newest versions of Firefox and Safari browsers don't run on Panther either. I want to hang on to my 5 year old G4 iMac for at least a couple more years and now have a Leopard pack ready to install (also iLife 09 and iWork 09).
I have a 1GB PC2700 SODIMM on the way, which would raise my total RAM to 1.25 GB. Should I wait until the new RAM is installed before starting the install of Leopard, or would that make little difference?
I have some older software that gets regular use and want to be sure it will still work after Leopard is installed:
1. Quicken 2004 for basic checkbook balancing and account management (don't do any online stuff).
2. Apple Works 6
3. MS Office 2004 for Mac
Plenty of photos saved on iPhoto 4.0.3 and a full music library on iTunes 7.7.1.
Is it safe to go ahead and pop in the Leopard DVD and get this install going, or are there other steps I need to take to avoid losing data from the older programs above?
Thanks for your help!!

If you currently only have 256mb of RAM, you will have to wait. Leopard's minimum is 512mb.
Going from Panther to Leopard is a big jump. Hopefully, you have an external FireWire drive that is at least the size of the iMac's internal drive. What I would do is clone the current internal drive startup volume to the external drive using Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper. Restart using the clone to make sure it works properly, as if you are starting up normally from the internal drive.
While started up from the external clone, run Disk Utility. Run +Repair Disk+ (on the +First Aid+ tab) on the internal drive.
Once you are satisfied that the clone is working properly, disconnect it. It will serve as your backup. You should always have a current backup (of at least your personal data) when doing a major system update. You can now install Leopard on your internal drive. If something goes wrong or if something critical does not work properly under Leopard, you can always restart from your external clone of the previous system, then clone it back to the internal drive. You'll be back to your pre-Leopard state, so you can try it again.
You can then trouble-shoot potential problems and try again. You can also use the +Archive and Install+ option to install Leopard, which retains your user settings and data but gives you a fresh system. The default installation method installs Leopard over the existing system, and that can somethings cause problems; for example, you may have third-party system extensions installed that are not compatible with Leopard.

I have recently upgraded my iBookG4 from Tiger to Leopard 10.5.8 and find my Bluetooth USB adaptor no longer connects. The Bluetooth pane says inactive. Does Leopard require USB 2.0. I've had the adaptor for some time so may be USB 1.0

I have recently upgraded my iBookG4 from Tiger to Leopard 10.5.8 and find my Bluetooth USB adaptor no longer connects. The Bluetooth pane says inactive. Does Leopard require USB 2.0. I've had the adaptor for some time so may be USB 1.0

Bluetooth icon on menu bar shows bluetooth off. When opening bluetooth preferences it shows the devices I've connected previously,( my mobile phone), and other devices I've attempted to connect but not very successfully: my iPhone and MiniMac. The bluetooth dongle in the USB port shows a continual blue light but does not react and the iBook does not recognise that it is there. There is absolutely no reaction when I try to pair my mobile phone, which I've done successfully before upgrading to Leopard, either by the iBook or the mobile phone.
I assumed that Tiger was not bluetooth compatible with the iPhone or MacMini running SnowLeopard and hoped by upgrading to Leopard I could achieve some file transfers between the three devices (iBook, iPhone and MacMini)

Upgrade to Tiger from panther

Can anyone help me? We have upgraded our software from Panther to Tiger and now can not log into the main account, therefore can not access any applications or email. The machine has two partitions if that has anything to do with it.
Can anyone help?

Hello boing:
Welcome to Apple discussions.
Partitioning an internal HD on a Mac is, IMHO, both a waste of time and potential trouble. Answer, yes it could be related. However, you did not say how you upgraded or what you used to upgrade (full retail version).
I assume you do not have a bootable backup of your previous system ( avery good procedure before any updates).
If you can provide more details, someone here may be able to help.
Barry

Upgrade from Panther to Leopard on PowerBook G4

Hi-
I just bought Leopard (for $129 directly from apple) and am interested in knowing the steps I would need to take to upgrade from Panther (10.3.9) on a PowerBook G4 with the following specs:
Machine Model: PowerBook G4 17"
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.1)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 1.5 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 167 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.8.4f1
I have 11 GB of disk space available.
Do I have the correct system requirements to make this transition seamlessly? Anything else I need to get?
Thanks!

What's the difference between getting an external hard drive vs. the card? I'll definitely go with 160GB to be on the safe side.
See my reply in your other thread.
I keep reading that Archive&Install is giving people problems. Given my situation, would you recommend Upgrade or Archive&Install or Erase& Install?
I'm running Tiger and did not know that A&I was giving people problems on Leopard. If that's the case, I would definitely do the Upgrade (if that is an option like it has been on previous OSX installers).
My main thing is that I'm going to need to keep Office 2004 (which I learned should work on Leopard).
Given that, use the Upgrade method.
Unless... this may sound silly, but can I save it on disks or something? (I don't have the original install disks anymore).
That's not silly at all, and with some applications it will work. I do not know if that's the case with Office, but I would recommend against it. OSX often needs to "weave" parts of an app into itself via the installation, and copying the actual app will not do that. If you have a disk image of the installation disc, that's a different story, and it will copy/work fine.
Also, when I do the backup (via Super Duper?), where does all the stuff end up living? If it's on my hard drive, doesn't that get taken away when I replace it with the newer/bigger one?
I use SD and think it's the best cloning app out there. You need to save it on an external source, otherwise you're correct, it's still "living" on your PB's HD, and if you erase that HD or something happens to it, all that data is gone.
In your situation, I would consider either an external HD or an enclosure. With an external, you'll be able to use if for backups, which would be a very good idea if you value your data. 300GB and even larger can be found for under $100. I'd recommend a FireWire model, so you can then boot your PB from it if you want/need to.
If money is an issue and you choose not to backup (a bad idea, as all HDs eventually die), you may get an external enclosure. Install the new HD in it, SD/clone your PB's internal HD to it, install the new HD in your PB, and you're good to go. 2.5" enclosures can be purchased for under $10.

Upgrading from Panther to Leopard tips?

Hi, I'd like to upgrade from Panther 10.3.9 to Leopard, ideally the newest version. I have an I-book G4, 1.33GHZ, currently 512 MB RAM and 30.98 GB available disk space.
First question, is 512 RAM enough, or would it be important to get additional RAM for best performance? I think the most I could upgrade to with this computer would be 1.25 GB RAM. Or would it be better to get Tiger instead? What's the worst that could happen if I run Leopard with only 512 MB RAM? Computer slowing down? I would mostly use it for web surfing and writing with Word 2004, so nothing complicated. Thing is, I wouldn't want to spend too much money on this old computer, and more RAM would be another 30$ at least.
Also, is there any upgrade version that might be cheaper to buy than the full retail version? If so, what is it called? If I get the full retail, are they all the same and should I basically be safe with any disk that has the large "X" on it (as opposed to the gray disks that might only work for specific computers)? Not all sellers offer the whole box, which is fine, I really just need the disk, but I want to make sure I'm getting the right thing.
Do you know of a good place to get Leopard for a good price? Is it generally safe to buy a used disk? I would only need it for this one install, don't care if the disk is dirty, as long as it works.
I still have the Leopard disk from my I-mac, is there any way to install Leopard from that disk, or is full retail the only option?

Leo uses more resoueces, especially Video card relaed...
Tiger Requirements...
To use Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, your Macintosh needs:
    * A PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
    * Built-in FireWire
    * At least 256 MB of RAM (I recommend 1GB minimum)
    * DVD drive (DVD-ROM), Combo (CD-RW/DVD-ROM) or SuperDrive (DVD-R) for installation
    * At least 3 GB of free disk space; 4 GB if you install the XCode 2 Developer Tools (I recommend 20GB minimum)
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514
I still have the Leopard disk from my I-mac, is there any way to install Leopard from that disk, or is full retail the only option?
Sorry, no, it's Intel & machine specific.
main thing for her would be access to internet (being able to watch basic videos online, mail, search, see all photos on a website.
In the end, not much differences as far as that, both are outdated... but I use both daily on the Internet.
Do you know if the old AOL software would work with either Tiger or Leopard? My mother still uses that and is used to it, although I might be able to get her to just check her e-mail on Safari in exchange for better internet access.
No idea, but AOL became irrevelant decades ago, Apples Mail App can be setup in 10.4/110.5 to access most anything, & theres better/safer Browsers in eithere OSSX...
TenFourFox is the most up to date browser for our PPCs, they even have G4 & G5 optimized versions...
http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/
I'd avoid vesrion 24 though, as it no longer supports plug-ins like Flash.
SeaMonkey seems pretty fast also, with many options...
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
Might also look into iCab & OmniWeb versions.

Upgrade to Tiger from Panther questions

I checked some of the old (2007) questions that are similar to mine, but they don't exactly address my questions, because of the upgrade separation of the systems in question. So I'm entering a new question that might hopefully save me some trouble.
I haven't been using my Powerbook G4 very much, lately, but I do use it occasionally for light video editing and more especially for slideshows. I like making slideshows on iMovie beter than other application I have on my other computers.
I keep reading the upgrade methodology... supposedly using the Snowleopard boxed set. The hype makes it sound as if it's capable of upgrading an Inel or PPC equipped Mac. That just sounds too good to be true, so here I am to ask for some experience based advice to make this potential change a little easier. Which disks should I purchase to make this upgrade as easy as possible?
Should I upgrade my RAM? Would an upgrade to more than the existing 512 meg be advised, or is it pretty mandatory? I am always fighting byte-bulge, as it is, so would an upgrade to a HDD larger than the existing 80 gigs be worth the extra money? Any particular size/brand to consider more than others?
My present complaint is an inability to do anything at all with the iTunes store, as most of you probably know. This wasn't so bad prior to adding Win7 machines to my network... but they seem to have completely shut out the Mac... and a Win XP machine, to boot. It's just a hassle to swap fairly large files with thumb drives.
Any upgrade advice and methods for upgrading from Panther to Tiger would be much appreciated.

Sorry, no G4 or any PPC Mac is going to be able to use Snow Leopard/10.6.x
10.5.8 is the most your G4 can use, & yes, max out the RAM.
Leopard requirements/10.5.x...
    * Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor
minimum system requirements
    * 512MB of memory (I say 2GB at least)
    * DVD drive for installation
    * 9GB of available disk space (I say 30GB at least)
You have to call Apple & likely ask for a Product Specialist to get it, if they still have it! Helps to tell them you have an iPad/iPhone & you can't run 10.6.
There are workarounds if the 867MHz is the only hangup...
http://sourceforge.net/projects/leopardassist/
BTW, 10.3.x is Panther, 10.4.x is Tiger, 10.5.x is Leopard, 10.6.x is Snow Leopard & not PPC compatible.

IChat Crashing after Upgrad to Tiger from Panther

I have recently upgraded from Panther to Tiger (10.4.4) Now when I iChat with friends, either my iChat or theirs will die. I have read some of the other posts regarding the iChat crashes and have run the iChat -7 logging command. Here is the terminal output from the crash. I would love to get any feedback on what the causes could be. I see a segmentation fault at the end, but I assume the problem occurs prior to that.
Thanks!
210855.717008 Loading hardware rules from hardwarerulesH264-G5.plist
210855.717720 Checking H264 hardware rules
210855.717841 Satisfied rule #2 (30:320x240)
210855.718238 setLocalUserName: Thomas [email protected]
210855.739169 ### NEW STATE: to: VC_INIT, from: VC_INVALID
210855.740204 ### NEW STATE: to: VC_IDLE, from: VC_INIT
210855.740263 ++++++++ confStatusMapRemoveAll
210855.740279 ( ) -- mapUserIDToSecurityInfo cleared --
210855.740609 UPnP init passed
210855.740804 NATTraversal created
210855.741021 QT automatic setting = 1
210855.741048 Bandwidth based on QT prefs = 0
210855.747569 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210855.747618 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210855.747632 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210855.747643 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210855.747719 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210855.747733 VCCapAudio
210855.747742 VCCapVideo
210855.747755 VCCapMultiAudio
210855.747764 VCCapMultiVideo
210855.747773 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210855.747782 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210855.799386 Found 1 cameras:
210855.799499 - 2857630787837915
210855.800810 selectCameraByGUID: 2857630787837915 returned 1
210855.841513 Microphone devices:
210855.852676 iSight Built-in
210855.853363 Line In
210855.853460 Digital In
210855.853566 Selected mic: iSight
210855.853812 Found 1 cameras:
210855.853895 - 2857630787837915
210855.853981 selectedCamera GUID returned
210855.855393 selectCameraByGUID: 2857630787837915 returned 1
210855.857630 Microphone devices:
210855.857810 iSight Built-in
210855.858119 Line In
210855.858188 Digital In
210855.858273 Selected mic: iSight
210855.858585 Found 1 cameras:
210855.858671 - 2857630787837915
210855.858735 selectedCamera GUID returned
210855.861493 selectCameraByGUID: 2857630787837915 returned 1
210855.869303 Microphone devices:
210855.869815 iSight Built-in
210855.870293 Line In
210855.870641 Digital In
210855.871288 Selected mic: iSight
210856.046933 Send VCHardwareChanged: 1.
210856.051549 Received VCHardwareCapsChangeNotification
2006-03-02 21:08:56.052 iChat[18104] Hardware Caps Dictionary: {
HasCamera = 1;
HasDV = 0;
HasMic = 1;
HasQ8 = 1;
Q8List = ({FirmwareVersion = 16973870; GUID = 2857630787837915; IrisState = 1; });
210856.052238 Found 1 cameras:
210856.052369 iSight - 2857630787837915
210856.052557 selectedCamera GUID returned iSight
210856.052870 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210856.052906 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210856.052919 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210856.052962 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210856.053136 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210856.053173 VCCapAudio
210856.053218 VCCapVideo
210856.053254 VCCapMultiAudio
210856.053291 VCCapMultiVideo
210856.053326 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210856.053351 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210858.688239 Microphone: callback thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210858.688479 Microphone: null device thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210858.694329 Microphone devices:
210858.694388 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.694495 iSight Built-in
210858.694774 Line In
210858.694807 Digital In
210858.694901 Selected mic: iSight
210858.840386 SIPManager init
210858.841797 selectedCamera returned iSight
210858.892635 Microphone devices:
210858.892696 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.892855 iSight Built-in
210858.893188 Line In
210858.893252 Digital In
210858.895823 Microphone devices:
210858.895876 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.895983 iSight Built-in
210858.896260 Line In
210858.896295 Digital In
210858.899621 Microphone devices:
210858.899678 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.899808 iSight Built-in
210858.900197 Line In
210858.900237 Digital In
210858.902432 Microphone devices:
210858.902477 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.902573 iSight Built-in
210858.903587 Line In
210858.903651 Digital In
210858.905486 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210858.905539 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210858.905551 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210858.905561 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210858.905632 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210858.905645 VCCapAudio
210858.905654 VCCapVideo
210858.905664 VCCapMultiAudio
210858.905673 VCCapMultiVideo
210858.905682 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210858.905691 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210858.914861 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.914958 Diffusion prefilter disabled
210858.914972 Temporal prefilter disabled
210858.915155 startPreview returned 0
210858.937747 VCDelegate conforms to VideoConferenceDelegate protocol.
210858.938618 setLocalUserName: [email protected]
210858.940032 ( ) setValidatedIdentity: [05A9F770]
210859.037201 Found 1 cameras:
210859.037303 iSight - 2857630787837915
210859.037461 selectedCamera returned iSight
210859.039633 Microphone devices:
210859.039688 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.039848 iSight Built-in
210859.040289 Line In
210859.040333 Digital In
210859.040493 Selected mic: iSight
210859.041110 Found 1 cameras:
210859.041198 iSight - 2857630787837915
210859.041552 selectedCamera returned iSight
210859.044345 Microphone devices:
210859.044407 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.044592 iSight Built-in
210859.045025 Line In
210859.045070 Digital In
210859.045221 Selected mic: iSight
210859.052380 Found 1 cameras:
210859.052564 iSight - 2857630787837915
210859.052657 selectedCamera returned iSight
210859.054842 Microphone devices:
210859.054941 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.055073 iSight Built-in
210859.055529 Line In
210859.055667 Digital In
210859.055808 Selected mic: iSight
210859.070024 Microphone devices:
210859.070182 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.070321 iSight Built-in
210859.070659 Line In
210859.070735 Digital In
210859.072602 Microphone devices:
210859.072693 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.072816 iSight Built-in
210859.073120 Line In
210859.073222 Digital In
210859.075537 Microphone devices:
210859.075990 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.076340 iSight Built-in
210859.077132 Line In
210859.077358 Digital In
210859.079567 Microphone devices:
210859.079618 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.079775 iSight Built-in
210859.080200 Line In
210859.080302 Digital In
210859.083136 Microphone devices:
210859.083197 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.083382 iSight Built-in
210859.083821 Line In
210859.083867 Digital In
210859.085842 Microphone devices:
210859.085895 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.086059 iSight Built-in
210859.086479 Line In
210859.086521 Digital In
210859.089814 Microphone devices:
210859.089963 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.090098 iSight Built-in
210859.090436 Line In
210859.090518 Digital In
210859.092931 Microphone devices:
210859.092987 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.093095 iSight Built-in
210859.093356 Line In
210859.093393 Digital In
210859.095235 Microphone devices:
210859.095282 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.095365 iSight Built-in
210859.095613 Line In
210859.095649 Digital In
210859.097632 Microphone devices:
210859.097690 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.097799 iSight Built-in
210859.098055 Line In
210859.098093 Digital In
210859.100060 Microphone devices:
210859.100108 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.100206 iSight Built-in
210859.100461 Line In
210859.100497 Digital In
210859.102269 Microphone devices:
210859.102312 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.102393 iSight Built-in
210859.102631 Line In
210859.102666 Digital In
210859.104885 Microphone devices:
210859.104940 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.105048 iSight Built-in
210859.105306 Line In
210859.105342 Digital In
210859.107121 Microphone devices:
210859.107164 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.107246 iSight Built-in
210859.107480 Line In
210859.107515 Digital In
210859.109491 Microphone devices:
210859.109592 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.109711 iSight Built-in
210859.110137 Line In
210859.110233 Digital In
210859.112092 Microphone devices:
210859.112140 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.112231 iSight Built-in
210859.112505 Line In
210859.112664 Digital In
210859.115023 Microphone devices:
210859.115085 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.115195 iSight Built-in
210859.115451 Line In
210859.115488 Digital In
210859.117436 Microphone devices:
210859.117483 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.117576 iSight Built-in
210859.117830 Line In
210859.117865 Digital In
210859.119623 Microphone devices:
210859.119682 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.119770 iSight Built-in
210859.120017 Line In
210859.120051 Digital In
210859.122167 Microphone devices:
210859.122225 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.122333 iSight Built-in
210859.122592 Line In
210859.122628 Digital In
210859.124719 Microphone devices:
210859.124772 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.124864 iSight Built-in
210859.125219 Line In
210859.125289 Digital In
210859.127140 Microphone devices:
210859.127189 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.127278 iSight Built-in
210859.127521 Line In
210859.127560 Digital In
210859.129416 Microphone devices:
210859.129505 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.129616 iSight Built-in
210859.129924 Line In
210859.129988 Digital In
210859.131877 Microphone devices:
210859.131970 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.132078 iSight Built-in
210859.132369 Line In
210859.132466 Digital In
210859.269417 SNATMAP Configuration Data: snatmap://snatmap.mac.com:5678
210859.269482 acquireSNATMAPConfigurationProc: Refresh UPnP status via SIP
210859.269718 SIPUpdateExternalInfo, force = 0
210859.269756 Transport(UDP) Thread start...
210859.270918 Sending SNATMAP heartbeat to 11FAF895:5678
210859.356385 SNATMAP heartbeat resulted in IP change (from: 0 to: 46763DD9)
210859.356439 SNATMAP heartbeat resulted in port change (from: 0 to: 5060)
210859.676711 Updating local frame notification.
210900.356452 UPnP not found (-3)
210900.357558 SIPUpdateExternalInfo, force = 0
210900.357616 count of local IP's = 2
210900.357634 LOCAL: ifname=[external], IP=[70.118.61.217], PORT = 5060
210900.357646 LOCAL: ifname=[en0(IPv6)], IP=[fe80:0004:0000:0000:020a:95ff:fe99:cdba], PORT = 5060
210900.357664 LOCAL: ifname=[en0], IP=[192.168.1.106], PORT = 5060
210900.357676 LOCAL: ifname=[en0~], IP=[63.87.254.149], PORT = 5060
210906.319521 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210906.319574 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210906.319587 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210906.319598 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210906.319677 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210906.319693 VCCapAudio
210906.319703 VCCapVideo
210906.319712 VCCapMultiAudio
210906.319722 VCCapMultiVideo
210906.319731 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210906.319740 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210906.326002 Invoke delegate method vcc:initiateConferenceStartedForParty:([email protected])
210906.326083 ### NEW STATE: to: VC_SIGNALING, from: VC_IDLE
210906.326100 initiateConferenceCallUsingRemoteIPAndPortData - start
210906.326259 [ipAndPortData length] = 160
210906.326276 Length is valid: YES
210906.326330 CALLEE: ifname=[external], IP=[65.33.107.56], wPort = 5060
210906.326345 CALLEE: ifname=[en0(IPv6)], IP=[fe80:0004:0000:0000:020d:93ff:feac:a3ca], wPort = 5060
210906.326374 CALLEE: ifname=[en0], IP=[192.168.1.100], wPort = 5060
210906.326692 ( )( )( ) ---- <nil> valid returned 0
2006-03-02 21:09:06.342 iChat[18104] IPAndPortList: ({ip = "65.33.107.56"; port = 5060; }, {ip = "192.168.1.100"; port = 5060; })
210906.342178 =========== OpenPorts!
210906.428105 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16384
210906.515276 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16385
210906.599734 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16386
210906.686685 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16387
210906.688644
VideoConferenceFramework version 245.0 - 02102005 - Dec 15 2005
210906.688709 Checking H263 hardware rules
210906.688766 Satisfied rule #1 (30:1)
210906.689464 selectedCamera returned iSight
210906.690311 * Caller SDP *
210906.690712 v=0
o=thomasmcnabb 0 0 IN IP4 %RTP-IP%
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 %RTP-IP%
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:288:2:2000
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:YES
m=audio %ARTP-PORT% RTP/AVP 12 3 0
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpID:-30191636
m=video %VRTP-PORT% RTP/AVP 126 34
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO %ARTCP-PORT% VIDEO %VRTCP-PORT%
a=pogo
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 30:320:240:320:240
a=rtpID:1203564515
210906.690872 SIPConnect start...
210906.691271 TAInviteClientProc Thread start...
210906.691586 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210906.691637 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP TEXT BODY (924) (492)
210906.691651 Send to 41216B38:5060 [INVITE sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>;isfocus
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 492
v=0
o=thomasmcnabb 0 0 IN IP4 70.118.61.217
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 70.118.61.217
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:288:2:2000
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:YES
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12 3 0
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpID:-30191636
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126 34
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=pogo
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 30:320:240:320:240
a=rtpID:1203564515
210906.718261 [[SIP/2.0 100 Trying
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210906.718447 Dialog(CREATED) Match(STATUS) [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433]
210906.718536 ##### (2)Trying...
210906.719053 VCSendNotificationProc: name = VCInformation, data = Trying
210906.721595 [[SIP/2.0 180 Ringing
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210906.721746 Dialog(CREATED) Match(STATUS) [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433]
210906.721837 ##### (2)Ringing...
210906.722241 VCSendNotificationProc: name = VCInformation, data = Ringing
210907.157916 [[SIP/2.0 200 OK
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 385
v=0
o=Herbie 0 0 IN IP4 65.33.107.56
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 65.33.107.56
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:70:1:1333
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:NO
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12
a=rtpID:1661367484
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 20:160:120:160:120
a=framerate:20
a=rtpID:-549225265
]] from 41216B38:5060
210907.158085 Dialog Match(STATUS): [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433], [1311623995]=[1311623995]
210907.158165 TAInviteClientProc Thread end(0)...
210907.158330 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210907.158494 Send to 41216B38:5060 [ACK sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK0ed9241f6e43d35b
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 ACK
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
210907.158584 Start heartbeat to 41216B38:5060
210907.158621 SIPConnect stop(0)...
210907.158666 SIP connect returned 0
210907.158684 Call initiated with callID = 2
210907.159928 Callee User Agent: Viceroy 1.2
210907.159982 * Callee SDP *
210907.160037 Selecting QCELP.
210907.160072 Conference_SetPayload: audio = 12, video = 126
210907.167201 v=0
o=Herbie 0 0 IN IP4 65.33.107.56
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 65.33.107.56
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:70:1:1333
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:NO
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12
a=rtpID:1661367484
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 20:160:120:160:120
a=framerate:20
a=rtpID:-549225265
210907.167822 SIPSendMessageAll start...
210907.183310 [[SUBSCRIBE sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 65.33.107.56;branch=z9hG4bK3d3859b573993ef3
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 SUBSCRIBE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>
Event: conference
Expires: 3600
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210907.183648 SIPSubscribeProc Thread start...
210907.183888 Dialog Match(REQUEST): [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433], [1311623995]=[1311623995]
210907.184034 TANonInviteServerProc Thread start...
210907.184242 SubscriptionHandleProc start...
210907.184406 | | | | --- iBodyLen 0
210907.184636 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210907.184668 Send to 41216B38:5060 [SIP/2.0 200 OK
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 65.33.107.56;branch=z9hG4bK3d3859b573993ef3
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 SUBSCRIBE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>;isfocus
Expires: 3600
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
210907.184787 SIPSubscribeProc Thread end(200)...
210907.184774 SendNotify start...
210907.185166 TANonInviteClientProc Thread start...
210907.185318 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210907.185352 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP TEXT BODY (736) (213)
210907.185366 Send to 41216B38:5060 [NOTIFY sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK3dc0b74750f92fba
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 2 NOTIFY
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>;isfocus
Event: conference
Subscription-State: active;expires=3600
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/conference-info+xml
Content-Length: 213
<c-i v="0" st="f" en="sip:[email protected]">
c<h>i</h><m t="a"/><m t="v"/>
c<h>o</h><m t="a"/><m t="v"/>
</c-i>
210907.216132 [[SIP/2.0 200 OK
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK3dc0b74750f92fba
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 2 NOTIFY
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210907.216288 Dialog Match(STATUS): [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433], [1311623995]=[1311623995]
210907.216396 SendNotify stop(0)...
210907.406249 Avg=3509858.70, NSDev=97.13%
210907.554900 Avg=1193085.60, NSDev=98.36%
210907.911483 Avg=523906.90, NSDev=6.84%
210907.943506 Orig: Upstream = -499.246kbps, Downstream = -500.168kbps
210907.943573 Final: Upstream = 499.246kbps, Downstream = 499.246kbps
210907.943686 Caller detected bandwidth (kbits/s): 499 up, 499 down. (00000000)
210907.944064 ( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( ) KEY EXCHANGE 1!
210907.944132 ( )( )( ) ---- [email protected] valid:
210907.944147 ( )( )( ) ---- <nil> valid returned 0
210907.944161 ( )( ) - Overall conference secure: was 0, is 0, count 1
210907.944179 ( )( )( ) ---- @ enabled set to 0
210907.944237 ( )( )( ) ---- @ valid set to 0
210907.944260 Invoke delegate method vcc:securityChanged:
210907.944472 Preparing to send VCInitiateConferenceCompleted
210907.944531 Invoke delegate method vcc:initiateConferenceCompletedForParty:([email protected]) - retcode: 0
210907.957045 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210907.957110 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210907.957122 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210907.957134 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210907.957216 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210907.957234 VCCapAudio
210907.957244 VCCapVideo
210907.957253 VCCapMultiAudio
210907.957262 VCCapMultiVideo
210907.957271 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210907.957281 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210907.957318 ( )( )( ) ---- {nil} enabled returned 0
210907.971592 MULTIPOINT VC_API: startConferenceWithUserID: [email protected]
210907.971677 MULTIPOINT VC_API: startConferenceWithIndex: 0
210907.971731 Remote User Agent: Viceroy 1.2
210907.971803 upstream_kbits = 499, downstream_kbits = 499
210907.971964 applyImageSizeDowngradeRuleForPayload: 126 bitrate: 499
210907.971984 Reducing framerate to (15) due to bitrate of (499) < (500)
210907.971996 H264: Downgrade rule #3 (160.000000:120.000000:15) --> (160.000000:120.000000:15)
210907.972030 Conference_SetBitrate: 499000
210907.972044 SetBitrate from 0 to 499000
210907.972055 Conference_SetFramerate: 15
210907.972067 Diffusion prefilter disabled
210907.972079 Temporal prefilter disabled
210907.974098 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210907.975157 Speaker: callback thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210907.975324 Speaker: null device thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210907.977247 =================== ActiveCount += 1
210907.977439 setPeerToPeerInfoInMapForUserID: [email protected], payload = 126, (160 x 120)
210907.977590 Set video format - payload: 126 size: (160 x 120)
210907.977615 SetBitrate from 499000 to 499000
210907.977642 =========== StartTransmit!
210907.977710 Conference_RecvThread start
210907.980581 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210907.983093 TRANSMIT: 65.33.107.56:16386:16384 hardwareframe:30 determinedframe: 15 key:-1 determinedbitrate: 499
210907.983196 ### NEW STATE: to: VC_BUSY, from: VC_SIGNALING
210907.983243 AGC = 1
210907.983264 MULTIPOINT VC_API: startConferenceWithUserID: [email protected] returns YES
210908.162846 RTP: recv started
210908.162907 RTPTransport: need to wait for SRTP to init? (0/0)
210908.189312 RTP: recv started
210908.189381 RTPTransport: need to wait for SRTP to init? (0/0)
210908.470214 Updating remote frame notification.
210908.470149 Lock: Camera.c:1638 waited on VideoPlayer.c:347 for 100.891 ms
210909.995407 Entering SPIKE
210909.995907 Leaving SPIKE
Segmentation fault

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Try this FAQ
12:09 AM Monday; March 6, 2006

Upgrading an IMac G5 OSX 10.3.9 from Panther to Leopard?

I have been given contradictory info from the Apple sales dept. I have been told I could upgrade to
Leopard...and that I could only use Tiger. What is the truth? My Safari quits frequently and I can not
interface with some websites properly. So not sure Tiger would be that helpful? Help?

If the Flash, Shockwave and possibly Java (among other) items are not up to date, or if you are using an
obsolete browser to visit modern web pages, this may manifest itself as an issue in Panther 10.3.9 & later.
There is no really new Java update for Panther, so that probably is as far as it goes. The Flash & Shock-
wave items, in the proper version for Panther support, and removal of old versions, is often the issue.
Safari is not updated for Panther. You can choose to get Camino (mozilla) and it supports Panther 10.3.9
as well as the newer Mac OS X systems. The Adobe Flash player and Shockwave items often require a
previous version be uninstalled prior to installing a newer one. With Panther, you have to be sure you can
get a newer player item before you trash the old version. One of these players includes an uninstaller in
their download .dmg; the other you have to manually remove the offending parts to uninstall. This will allow
the newer supported Shockwave and Flash player items to install.
These two players generally work across several browsers. Your Safari browser may be beyond these up-
dates. A newer Safari is not supported by your older Panther 10.3.9. And generally, an upgrade may not help
an issue where certain updates or free downloads and installations where overlooked in an older version.
The field would change & other newer items would need to be gotten (also) & updated in the newer system.
If the computer can support it. Sometimes, this may mean adding RAM, a larger hard disk drive, and other
hardware upgrades. A newer system could allow you continued use with later versions of apps.
For ideas on what computer hardware configurations support which OS X versions, you could get a free
download of a database that runs offline once you get it, from http://mactracker.ca and read about yours.
Other causes of general system slowness include a lack of working free space on the hard disk drive,
and the need to perform maintenance on a routine basis. Insufficient chip RAM installed may also be
an area where changes could be made in the hardware configuration of the computer if it is slow.
Good luck & happy computing!
{edited}

Upgrade from panther to leopard-partition new macintosh hard drive?

hello,
i have some upgrade questions:
i have a mac g5, dual 2.5 with 4 gigs of ram in it. i've been running logic pro 7.1.1 for the last three and half years or so on panther, never switched up to tiger. my computer hasn't been running so great so recently, (problems with audio midi setup in logic, and with i-tunes) and also my mac hd is almost full. i bought leopard and logic 8. before trying an installation i used carbon copy cloner 3.01 to make bootable clone of my my hard drive onto an external firewire drive, (it boots up fine, albeit with the same little wierd issues as the original hard drive) would it make sense, since my hard drive is so full anyway, to buy a larger internal hard drive to replace the original hard drive, partition it somehow into two parts, clone the clone back to one of the partitions to have my panther setup on an ATA, then install leopard on the other half? would i risk bringing the wierdnesses back, or would they only be confined to the one leopard partition. is this even possible? if so, how would i do it?
thanks!
dave

What makes sense to me it to just leave the old Panther install on the original drive and install a new faster 500 GB internal drive for Leopard. Your PowerMac can have more than 1 internal drive and can boot from any drive with an OS on it.
I would not do an upgrade install with all the old and apparently corrupt files in your old system. Leopard has proven that if you start out with a less than perfect system, the upgrade will make it worse. The list of strange behaviors and problems that look like bugs on this forum is very long and you would be importing your existing wierdness and possibly just make it worse. There are several programs that actually break the upgrade so that it won't even boot.
Download the 10.5.2 Combo Update from Apple. Install OS 10.5 fresh to the new drive. Repair Permissions using Disk Utility. Install the 10.5.2 update and Repair Permissions again.
If you want your iLife applications you will need to get them from the Bundled Software installer on your original setup discs for Panther or you can buy the latest versions separately (iLife is not included on the Leopard Retail DVD).
Use Software Update to get the latest versions of just about all your Apple programs and Repair Permissions again. Install your new Logic Pro and new Leopard versions of all your applications. If a program isn't updated for Leopard make sure there are no problems with it from it's support group. If it's no longer supported don't use it and find a replacement program that is.
Setup your email preferences and accounts fresh. You can import your messages later, along with your other data files that are important. If you don't spend a few hours setting up your new fresh OS properly, you will spend weeks trying to get a broken upgrade to work. You stand a much better chance if you don't start out badly.
Depending on it's size, the external drive can be used for Time Machine for awhile or to clone your Leopard installation to in case you ignore my recommendation for a fresh install and go ahead with the update.

How easy is it to upgrade from Panther to Leopard?

I think it is about time I upgraded from 10.3.9 to 10.5 as I want to update my iLife package and use Final Cut.
However, I have been procrastinating about it - is it easy? I've read some reviews; some say it is easy and some say it is not. I will back up everything but was hoping that I wouldn't have to remove everything and then put it back once the new OS is installed.
I read one review where they upgraded their OS and lost everything even though it shouldn't be affected.
Any ideas or tips please?
thanks

First repair your hard drive:
Repairing the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger and Leopard.) After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now restart normally.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior (4.0 for Tiger, and 4.1 for Leopard) and/or TechTool Pro (4.6.1 for Leopard) to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.
Next clone your system to another hard drive (external or internal) and test the clone by booting from it.
How to Clone Using Restore Option of Disk Utility
1. Open Disk Utility from the Utilities folder.
2. Select the destination volume from the left side list.
3. Click on the Erase tab in the DU main window. Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (journaled, if available) and click on the Erase button. This step can be skipped if the destination has already been freshly erased.
4. Click on the Restore tab in the DU main window.
5. Select the destination volume from the left side list and drag it to the Destination entry field.
6. Select the source volume from the left side list and drag it to the Source entry field.
7. Double-check you got it right, then click on the Restore button.
Destination means the backup drive.
Source means the startup drive.
Verify your system meets the minimum requirements to install Leopard:
System requirements
You must have a Macintosh computer with:
an Intel processor or a PowerPC G4 (867 MHz or faster) or G5 processor
a DVD drive
built-in FireWire
at least 512 MB of RAM (additional RAM is recommended for development purposes)
a built-in display or a display connected to an Apple-supplied video card supported by your computer
at least 9 GB of disk space available, or 12 GB of disk space if you install the developer tools
When you move on to the actual installation I suggest doing the following:
How to Perform an Archive and Install
An Archive and Install will NOT erase your hard drive, but you must have sufficient free space for a second OS X installation which could be from 3-9 GBs depending upon the version of OS X and selected installation options. The free space requirement is over and above normal free space requirements which should be at least 6-10 GBs. Read all the linked references carefully before proceeding.
1. Be sure to use Disk Utility first to repair the disk before performing the Archive and Install.
Repairing the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger.) After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported, then quit DU and return to the installer.
2. Do not proceed with an Archive and Install if DU reports errors it cannot fix. In that case use Disk Warrior and/or TechTool Pro to repair the hard drive. If neither can repair the drive, then you will have to erase the drive and reinstall from scratch.
3. Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When you reach the screen to select a destination drive click once on the destination drive then click on the Option button. Select the Archive and Install option. You have an option to preserve users and network preferences. Only select this option if you are sure you have no corrupted files in your user accounts. Otherwise leave this option unchecked. Click on the OK button and continue with the OS X Installation.
4. Upon completion of the Archive and Install you will have a Previous System Folder in the root directory. You should retain the PSF until you are sure you do not need to manually transfer any items from the PSF to your newly installed system.
5. After moving any items you want to keep from the PSF you should delete it. You can back it up if you prefer, but you must delete it from the hard drive.
6. You can now download a Combo Updater directly from Apple's download site to update your new system to the desired version as well as install any security or other updates. You can also do this using Software Update.

Upgrading mac os X server from panther to leopard on xserve

Hi,
I've actually got a xserve G4 and one G5. Both running on MacOS X server 10.3.9.
I plan to upgrade to 10.5 because a lot of clients are now running on MacOS X 10.5.
I don't find informations on Internet on this situation, and how to do this upgrade correctly. (always about non-server version on macOS).
Can you advise me on that?
Should a migration intermediary to 10.4?
Is there something that I must think before ?
Do you know of sites that speak about this?
Thanks you,
Fabien

I would seriously consider installing 10.5 server fresh rather than trying to upgrade. You can try Passenger
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/networking_security/passenger.html
to move users and passwords, but there are a lot of pitfalls you may encounter, and a clean install may actually be faster.

Upgrade from Panther to Leopard - how much hard drive GB is needed?

Even though the system requirements on Apple say 9GB is needed, I hear that I really should have more than that and should get a larger hard drive. Has anyone had experience with this? I currently have 11 GB.
In terms of getting a larger hard drive, what is the difference between an external hard drive versus an internal one? Should I get 80 GB or more? Does it replace my current 74.4 GB one or does it add to it? What would work best with Leopard and my PowerBook G4?

Hi again Camille,
Your 74GB is really an 80GB, because manufacturers use a 1000 scale instead of 1024. Thus, you need a 100 or larger. Per other thread, I'd recommend larger. One can never have too much storage capacity, and files keep getting larger and larger, especially if you work with video data.
If you get an external, that means you'd have to haul it around with you, limiting the portability of your PB, but that is an option. I have a 500GB with several partitions sitting next to my PB which I usually leave connected and use for backups.

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