Upgrade rules for Cool Edit, Cool Edit pro, Audition

Does anybody know the upgrade order for the following applications?
Cool Edit 96
Cool Edit 2000
Cool Edit Pro 1
Cool Edit Pro 2
Audition 1
If one had Cool Edit 2000 what was the next step up? Was it Cool Edit Pro or was it Audition?
Was it posible to go from Cool Edit 96 to Cool Edit Pro 1 ? Or was is rquired to go by Cool Edit 2000 first?
Could one go from Cool Edit 96 to Audition?
Any such information is highly appreciated.
Thank you.

HD-LW wrote:
Where did Cool edit Pro fit in?
Did you go from Cool edit pro 2 to Adobe Audition 1?
My mistake - Cool Edit 1 is actually Cool Edit Pro 1. It got renamed because it was the paid-for upgrade from Cool Edit 96.
So ignoring CE2000, the major software lineage to date is effectively:
Cool Edit 96
Cool Edit Pro 1
Cool Edit Pro 1.2
Cool Edit Pro 2, which became Audition 1, minus the CD burning which was beta. Adobe wouldn't countenance that!
Audition 1.5
Audition 2.0
Audition 3.0
Audition 3.0.1
Audition 4.0 aka Audition CS5.5
Cool Edit Pro didn't natively do MP3 - you had to purchase that as a plugin. CE2000 had it natively, though. There might be a minor additional step around CEP1.2 and 2, but I don't recall offhand whether there was or not, and it would only have been a bugfix.

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I am using 4K Footages for editing in Premiere pro CC 2014, but its getting crash in between at every 15 to 20 mins. Kindly suggest how can it be solved, does any plugins or settings needed to edit 4K footages? Also would like to mention that footages fra

I am using 4K Footages for editing in Premiere pro CC 2014, but its getting crash in between at every 15 to 20 mins. Kindly suggest how can it be solved, does any plugins or settings needed to edit 4K footages? Also would like to mention that footages frame rates are 29.97 and i have set timeline to 25 FPS is requirement by client. kindly revert. Thanks

Thanks Richarad ..It has solved the problem but still crashes some times .As the programme has the break (bumper)after every five minutes ,i hope it will not compress bumper time too after export.

Is 256GB retina macbook pro 13" enough for fair 4K raw editing?

The new macbook pros with retina display just came out and I was thinking about buying this build for 1900$:
13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display
256GB PCIe-based flash storage
3.1GHz Dual-core Intel Core i7
16GB 1866MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
Will 256GB of storage be enough to edit 4KRAW files on FCP X?
Would there be a way of having the large files on an external drive via thunderbolt 2 while editing them?
Are there places where I could spare some money (like overkilled specs)?
Thanks for the replies!

loulouboubou wrote:
Are there places where I could spare some money (like overkilled specs)?
The dual core i7 is not much faster than the i5. You won't notice the difference unless you went to the quad core i7 which is not available on the 13".
So save some money by going with the i5.

Options for converting '.vob' files for editing in PP Pro CS3...

Hi,
I'm using PP Pro CS3 (Windows) and I have a few projects here where the source material are '.vob' files only.
Now because PP Pro doesn't support that file format, I'm looking for options to convert this footage to a format - suitable for editing in PP Pro CS3 - that does NOT explode in file size.
Converting to uncompressed .avi is up 20 times the file size, DV .avi is about 5-10 times the file size.
Here are the options I've tried so far:
1. importing '.vob' files straight into PP via the Avisynth method
--> works, but PP crashes randomly and it always crashes when rendering more than 2-3 min
--> all my system drivers are up to date
2. renaming to .mpg or .avi
--> works for some files (only) but you get random red frames in your footage
3. converting to mpeg-2 via...
a. Carbon Coder - best quality so far - looks like original
b. Premiere Elements 4 - no de-interlacing option, takes way too long, quality worse than original
c. MPEGStreamclip - no options selectable, quality is worse than original
4. converting to 'DV avi' via...
Carbon Coder - PE 4 - MPEGStreamclip - VirtualDubMod
--> file size explodes (5-10 times of the original .vob file), quality looks on all kinda the same and NOT better than the mpeg-2 output from Carbon Coder - that's why I don't wanna take the storage hit...
Are there any other methods or ways to convert '.vob' files to a suitable editing format (with a reasonable file size) ?
Thanx for your help !
Mike

Take the storage hit and be done with it. Hard drives are cheap these days. Editing takes lots of space. Might as well get used to it.

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