Upgrade to snowleopard and two computers sharing an external HD wireless
Hi,
I have recently upgraded to SnowLeopard, using a clean install. I therefore have to reinstall my itunes library, which is backed up via time machine.
I now would like to transfer my timemachine backup to my SL itunes library. However, I would like to have the library on my external harddrive, which is attached to my airport extreme.
For now I had transferred the itunes music folder form my timemachine backup to the external HD, and redirected my itunes library to that location.
Although that works fine, I am not sure it was the best thing to do, and that it should be done differently to not get problems later on (i.e. importing new music). Any suggestions?
Second question: We have ordered a second Mac for my partner. Will she be able to access the music folder on the external HD, if the new computer is authorized?
Thanks for the help
Noodlez,
Using the external between computers will work the same way. Yes, you will be able to use aliases, just as described.
One thin that has not yet been covered here is the issue of ownership and permissions. On any external, we can choose to have OS X "Ignore ownership on this volume." This is the recommendation that is most frequently made. You can, however, keep ownership and premissions in place in your scenario (two computers), provided your accounts on both machines have the same UID. If your accounts on both machines are the "initial" admin accounts created using the Setup Assistant, then they should both have a ID of "501." In other words, you should be good to go.
As we create each subsequent account in OS X using System Preferences>Accounts, the new account gets an incremental UID, beginning with "502," then "503," etc. If you are using any type of secondary account with some UID other than "501," you will need to reconcile the accounts on the two machines, or use the "Ignore ownership.." option.
Since you will be using this external drive with your portable MBP, you might want to consider one of the smaller form-factor drives. These drives are more expensive, especially when considering cost vs. capacity, but they are certainly more convenient to use with any portable. I have an 80 GB Firelite drive that is bus-powered, so I can carry just it (and it is very small) and a single cable. When needed, I simply plug it into my MBP, it spins up, mounts and shows up on my Desktop, and away I go.
Scott
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12" Powerbook G4 60GB/1.33GHz/1.25GB RAM/Combo +20" iMac G5 250GB/2.1GHz/1.5GB Both 10.6.4 Mac OS X (10.4.6)Welcome to iLife 06,
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When i check my order history it doesn't show the pre-order, does it show for others?
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Ago function not working in reports
Hi I created a logical column using ago function,when I'm using this column in the report it throws the following error.I'm using 10.1.3.4.1 version of OBIEE. Error Codes: OPR4ONWY:U9IM8TAC:OI2DL65P State: HY000. Code: 10058. [NQODBC] [SQL_STATE: HY0