Upgraded 10.5.5 Dual G5 6800 Ultra lost main monitor

I run Dual head (twin LCDs 1280x1024) on my Dual 2.5GHz G5 with 6800 Ultra
I just upgraded to 10.5.5 and I lost my primary display, it's not kicking out any signal that my screen can work with. The secondary screen is fine.
I went to display settings and changed the primary screen to loads of valid settings and nothing works.
Reset PRAM, still nothing.
I suspect from reading other posts that 10.5.5 is bollocked on G5s somehow.
Does anybody have any insight or information about what I can do to fix things?
I'm not overly happy about trying to drop back to 10.5.4 as I just lost one of my drives and I'm actually trying to restore that at the moment so the prospect of finding a spare 500G drive to clone onto is a bit scary etc.
Anyway, let me have the suggestions

Hi Mordatdansant,
Welcome to Apple Discussions!
I want to say make a bootable clone first and use Archive and Install as the option on the OS Disk to get back to an earlier OS, but you don't seem very up for that.
There's another thing you could try to fix your issues but only if you're willing to take an element of risk. I've done this two times to clean up weird problems on my mac but I had backups galore and could take the risk (I'm reckless as heck too). Exactly what problems trying this fix could cause, I don't know. Essentially I would think it was copying over files to replace identical ones. It's I just don't see this posted too often.
So do you feel lucky..., well, do ya' "Mordat"?, huh?
If so, download the Mac OS X 10.5.5 Combo Update, yeah, the gigantic one, here:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1055comboupdate.html
Once you get it all to your desktop, double click on it and apply the update, again. When I did it I don't recall the installer giving me the usual install options, but if it does do an Archive&Install.
You'll be asked to restart..., and, when it all starts ups again, ideally, your problems will be gone.
Best of luck
Steve
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