Upgrading Envy 17 3D primary HDD to a SSD

I was wondering the steps I would need to take inorder to upgrade my current 640GB 7200 HDD to a SSD.I read this thread about the compatibility so I am aware of some issues I may have.
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Hardware-Upgrades-Replacements/Envy-17-SSD-compatibility/td-p/1251555
I have an Envy 17 3D which I bought around this time last year so its probably an Envy 17-1000 - 17-1099 series.  It came with w7 home preinstalled on a 640GB HDD 7200.  I want to put an SSD in the primary slot and use the current 640 in the secondary slot.  I have the HDD caddy for the secondary slot already  I just need to know what are the steps I need to take to install the SSD properly.
Here are a few questions I have:
I know the Envy is sata2 but most SSD are sata3, would a sata3 SSD be backwards compatible with my Envy?
Would you use the backup disk made from the 640GB HDD and install it on the SSD or would I get a fresh copy of w7 to install?
If using a fresh copy of w7 pro would system, videocard and 3d drivers be an issue since its not HP's version of w7?
when the SSD is finally installed can i just pop my 640 in the secondary drive slot and pull the personal files then format or do I have to get the personal files off beforhand?
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Hi,
Q1: Yes it is compatible.
Q2: I would suggest to create a minimized recovery dvd in HP Recovery Manager. Solid drives are not as big as the original hdd and it may cause troubles when restoring the system on an ssd.
Q3: An OEM Windows disk may be used to perform a fresh install and necessary drivers download from HP.
Q4: Yes, just install the hdd in the secondary bay and it will be worked as a slave drive so back up all data you need and then reformat it..
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    I tried disconnecting and reconnecting everything - all drives, interface connections, power cables etc., but to no avail!
    This morning I tried this again, but still I cannot get my system to even acknowledge the Agility EX, let alone list it!
    So at the moment I am still using VelociRaptor 1 as my boot drive, and, in fact, as my main drive, because I am reluctant to use it with the 3 other VelociRaptors as a 4 drive RAID 0 set up until I get this problem with the Agility EX resolved.
    (OCZ - 22 Dec 2009 - 18.29 GMT):-
    Cloning from a HDD to an SSD is very problematic. I strongly recommend against doing this. Instead you will want to just install normally onto the SSD. You can clone from SSD to SSD, or from HDD to HDD, but going from one to the other can cause issues.
    Try disconnecting the drive from the computer for an hour or so. This will allow all power in the drive to fully discharge. This is a way of resetting the drive that can usually recover the drive. Then plug the drive back in. Does the drive show up again?
    If so, delete the partition on the drive, then create a new partition and then install the OS onto it clean rather than clone the OS onto the drive. That should resolve the issues you are having.
    (Biltan-Wales - 23 Dec 2009 - 16.19 GMT):-
    Thank you for your advice.
    I have now disconnected the Agility EX SSD, and removed it from my Mac Pro's lower optical bay.
    As Christmas is imminent, and I will not be using my system very much over the next few days, I will leave the drive for 4 to 5 days to allow ample time for all the power to discharge.
    Then I will reconnect it, and I will let you know whether or not the drive is recognised by my system.
    I was not aware that cloning from a HDD to an SSD could be problematic. Several threads on the Apple Support Discussion Forum have recommended using SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner for this purpose. SuperDuper is the preferred option of most Forum members, whereas Lloyd Chambers (diglloyd.com), author of "macperformanceguide.com", uses Carbon Copy Cloner to clone his HDD boot drives to his Intel and Crucial SSDs.
    After the Agility EX had been set up as my system boot drive, my intention was to use SuperDuper to clone from it to my original Apple (WD) HDD, now in an external enclosure with Firewire 800 interface, and then use SuperDuper's Smart Update for regular backups, so that I always had an up to date spare boot drive for the OS and applications.
    The current VelociRaptor 1 boot drive would then be erased, and I would then use the Mac OS Disk Utility to create a 4 drive software RAID ) with the other 3 VelociRaptors, and this would be backed up using Time Machine to my existing WD My Book Studio Edition II 2TB External Hard Drive.
    Please correct me if I have misunderstood your advice, but are you saying that I should only use another SSD, and not my original Apple (WD) HDD, as my back-up external boot drive? I don't know of any other Mac users who are using SSDs for that purpose, possibly because of the prohibitive cost of doing so.
    I am more than happy to follow your advice to reinstall the Mac OS and my applications cleanly onto the Agility EX, and, in fact, I did exactly that with my first VelociRaptor HDD, before I had SuperDuper. However, that would still leave me with the problem of how to set up and maintain an external back-up system boot drive, without incurring the expense of another SSD. Any suggestions please?
    Anyway the most important matter is the existing problem, and I am hoping that following your advice will resolve this.
    I will contact you again early next week. In the meantime have a very enjoyable Christmas!
    (OCZ - 24 Dec 2009 - 00.25 GMT):-
    If the image is of an HDD and that image is then cloned onto an SSD that does tend to be problematic. I do not recommend doing this, as an image of the HDD somewhat regularly does fail to copy onto an SSD and still remain functional or fast.
    You can store the image file on any sort of drive. Storing the image file is fine, as that is just a digital file, so the storage medium doesn't matter. Its actually applying that image to a drive is where the problems often occur.
    You can image from a HDD to a HDD just fine, or an SSD to an SSD just fine, but going from one to the other is problematic enough that I recommend not doing this. Sometimes it works just fine, but other times it can fail catastrophically to the point of even bricking the drive. To error on the side of caution I recommend just going a clean install on the new SSD.
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    (Biltan-Wales - 29 Dec 2009 - 13.16 GMT)
    Thank you for your last email.
    Further to your previous email, and my reply of 23/12/2009. this morning I reconnected the Agility EX SSD.
    However, unfortunately, the drive has not showed up again on my system. There is no icon for it on the desktop, nor is it listed in Disk utility.
    When I checked Serial-ATAS in my Mac Pro's System Profiler, all 6 Intel ICH10 AHCI are listed in the Serial-ATA Device Tree, but, whereas all my other drives are sub-listed, there is nothing underneath the ICH10 AHCI for the lower optical bay.
    As the drive has had 6 days to discharge and reset, it would appear that it has not recovered.
    Where do I go from here?
    I am still awaiting a reply from OCZ, but that is not surprising, because of the different time zones and the Christmas?New Year holiday period.
    In the meantime does anybody else have any ideas, please?

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    No.
    "Check the log of SuperDuper (Window-Show Log); warnings are in red, I think.":-
    This is a copy of the log, but it only refers to the original Mac (WD) drive as the Target Volume and it only lists the last Smart Update. There is no record of the original cloning to the same drive on 21st. December, nor of the interim Smart Updates. There is no record logged at all for the OCZ Agility EX SSD, despite the unsuccessful cloning attempt on 21st. December:-
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | SuperDuper!, 2.6.2 (87), path: /Applications/SuperDuper!.app, Mac OS 10.6.2 build 10C540 (i386)
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | Started on Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM
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    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | Target Volume: Untitled 1, mount: /Volumes/Untitled 1, device: /dev/disk5s2, media: Ext Hard Disk, interconnect: External FireWire, file system: "Journaled HFS+", OS: 10.6.2 (10C540), capacity: 639.79 GB, used: 30.27 GB, directories: 164519, files: 522654, ejectable: YES, ACLs: Enabled
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | Copy Mode : Smart Update
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | Copy Script : Backup - all files.dset
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | Transcript : BuildTranscript.plist
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | PHASE: 1. Prepare to Copy Files
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | ...ACTION: Preparing VelociRaptor 1
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Verifying the integrity of volinfo.database
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | volinfo.database OK
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Enabling permissions on VelociRaptor 1
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | Refreshing Disk Arbitration ...
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Verifying that permissions are enabled for VelociRaptor 1
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | Permissions on '/' are enabled.
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | ...ACTION: Preparing Untitled 1
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Enabling permissions on Untitled 1
    | 11:39:15 AM | Info | Refreshing Disk Arbitration ...
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Verifying that permissions are enabled for Untitled 1
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | Permissions on '/Volumes/Untitled 1' are enabled.
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Verifying that Untitled 1 ACL support matches VelociRaptor 1
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | ...ACTION: Preserving Spotlight state on Untitled 1
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Disabling Spotlight search indexing on Untitled 1
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | PHASE: 2. Copy Files
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | ...ACTION: Copying files from VelociRaptor 1 to Untitled 1 using Smart Update
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Cloning VelociRaptor 1 to Untitled 1
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    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | Loading 27 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude system temporary files.dset
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | Loading 6 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude system cache files.dset
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude Norton FileSaver files.dset
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | Loading 2 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude Google Desktop Index files.dset
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | Loading 1 commands from copy script /Applications/SuperDuper!.app/Contents/Resources/Copy Scripts/Exclude iTunes Temporary files.dset
    | 11:39:16 AM | Info | Loading 0 commands from copy script /Users/williamtanner/Library/Application Support/SuperDuper!/Copy Scripts/Standard Scripts/Backup - all files.dset
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | /
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | /.vol
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | Ignoring /.vol
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | /cores
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | /Network
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | /.Spotlight-V100
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | Preserving /.Spotlight-V100
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | /private
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/folders/-S
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/folders/zz
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/tmp/com.epson.epw
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/tmp/com.apple.speech.synthesis.globals
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/tmp/launchd
    | 11:39:20 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/tmp/com.WD.WDDriveManagerService
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/vm/swapfile0
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/vpncontrol.sock
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/usbmuxd
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/syslog.pid
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/syslog
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/printtool
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/portmap.socket
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/mDNSResponder
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/cupsd
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/com.apple.ActivityMonitor.socket
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/asl_input
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    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/configd.pid
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    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/.DSRunningSP1
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    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/resolv.conf
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    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/ntpd.pid
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/utmpx
    | 11:39:23 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/run/mds
    | 11:39:32 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/db/BootCache.playlist
    | 11:39:32 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/var/db/volinfo.database
    | 11:39:32 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/tmp/MobileDevice.log
    | 11:39:32 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/tmp/launchd-99.KTlnYd
    | 11:39:32 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/tmp/launch-TIwnDn
    | 11:39:32 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/tmp/launch-S6asBo
    | 11:39:32 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/tmp/launch-1v6MDi
    | 11:39:32 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/tmp/icssuis501
    | 11:39:32 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/tmp/4b3745a3d4d81
    | 11:39:32 AM | Info | Ignoring /private/tmp/target221.indexState
    | 11:39:32 AM | Info | /Users
    | 11:39:36 AM | Info | Ignoring /.hotfiles.btree
    | 11:39:36 AM | Info | /bin
    | 11:39:36 AM | Info | /sbin
    | 11:39:36 AM | Info | /usr
    | 11:39:48 AM | Info | /System
    | 11:41:47 AM | Info | /Library
    | 11:42:41 AM | Info | /Applications
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | /.Trashes
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | /.fseventsd
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | Preserving /.fseventsd
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | /dev
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | /net
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | /home
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | /Volumes
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | Ignoring /Volumes/My Book
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | Ignoring /Volumes/VelociRaptor 3
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | Ignoring /Volumes/VelociRaptor 4
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | Ignoring /Volumes/VelociRaptor 2
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | Ignoring /Volumes/VelociRaptor 1
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | Ignoring /Volumes/Untitled 1
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | Evaluated 685438 items occupying 29.45 GB (164606 directories, 511269 files, 9563 symlinks)
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | Copied 463 items totaling 0.69 GB (117 directories, 335 files, 11 symlinks)
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | Cloned 29.15 GB of data in 306 seconds at an effective transfer rate of 95.25 MB/s
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Resetting Custom Icon bit on Untitled 1
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | PHASE: 3. After Successful Copy
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | ...ACTION: Making Untitled 1 bootable
    | 11:44:22 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Blessing OS X System Folder
    | 11:44:23 AM | Info | Successfully blessed Mac OS X folder on Untitled 1
    | 11:44:23 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Blessing OS 9 System Folder
    | 11:44:23 AM | Info | Did not bless Mac OS 9 System Folder on Untitled 1 because it does not exist.
    | 11:44:23 AM | Info | ...ACTION: Updating prebinding on Untitled 1
    | 11:44:23 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Updating boot cache on '/Volumes/Untitled 1'
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    | 11:44:34 AM | Info | updatedyld_sharedcache: warning mismatched install path in /System/Library/CoreServices/RawCamera.bundle/Contents/Resources/MetadataLib.dy lib for /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib
    | 11:44:34 AM | Info | updatedyld_sharedcache: warning mismatched install path in /System/Library/CoreServices/RawCamera.bundle/Contents/MacOS/RawCamera for /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib
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    | 11:44:41 AM | Info | updatedyld_sharedcache: warning mismatched install path in /System/Library/CoreServices/RawCamera.bundle/Contents/Resources/MetadataLib.dy lib for /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib
    | 11:44:41 AM | Info | updatedyld_sharedcache: warning mismatched install path in /System/Library/CoreServices/RawCamera.bundle/Contents/MacOS/RawCamera for /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib
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    | 11:44:48 AM | Info | updatedyld_sharedcache: warning mismatched install path in /System/Library/CoreServices/RawCamera.bundle/Contents/Resources/MetadataLib.dy lib for /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib
    | 11:44:52 AM | Info | Successfully updated boot cache on Untitled 1
    | 11:44:52 AM | Info | ...ACTION: Restoring Spotlight state on Untitled 1
    | 11:44:52 AM | Info | ......COMMAND => Restoring Spotlight search indexing state on Untitled 1
    | 11:44:53 AM | Info | /Volumes/Untitled 1:
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    | 11:44:53 AM | Info | Indexing enabled on Untitled 1
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