Upgrading from 12GB to 24 gb

Hello all,
I am thinking of upgrading my system from 12 gig to 24 gig memory.  Not so much for Premiere but I am starting to do work in After Effects. and it is SOOOO SLOW, especially in Ram previews.
And am looking for recommendations.
I have a ASUS P6X58D  Premium - LGA 1366  motherboard
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002WSHXQ2/ref=oss_product
My current memory is  12 gig of Corsair CMD12GX3M6A1600C8 Dominator 12 GB PC3-12800
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002QSHG7O/ref=oss_product
There are no more slots to add memory (of course!).
So I would need a complete 24 memory kit and will need to ebay I guess the 12 gig kit.
On the aftereffects forum someone mentioned they are buying/considering 24GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=24GB+ Kingston+HyperX+DDR3+1600+&x=0&y=0
I would appreciate any suggestions!
Thanks
Rowby

Hey Rowby,
  I saw the document Kopriva posted in the AfterEffects forum. Quite a large document; very informative. I am going to work with it. I figure I will always be learning new stuff for Ae. I primarily work in Premiere and my largest client is pushing me into Motion…
  I keep it simple: RAM – of my 12GB available I assign nine to Ae leaving three for OS and possibly Pr idling in the background or for bailing to Digital Juice etc (now Ae idling and possibly do an [Edit/ Purge/ All]). If I do anything demanding in Ae I tend to do it when everything else is shut down. Of my eight cores available I reserve two for other apps. I have the Render Multiple Frames Simultaneously turned on.
  In my earlier post I mentioned settings because it sounded like you were really dogged down; IMO more RAM is certainly a good idea if you can afford it. I want more myself for longer previews etc…
Happy Computing,
Richard

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    {code}
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    optimizer_dynamic_sampling           integer     2
    optimizer_features_enable            string      11.2.0.1
    optimizer_index_caching              integer     0
    optimizer_index_cost_adj             integer     100
    optimizer_mode                       string      ALL_ROWS
    optimizer_secure_view_merging        boolean     TRUE
    optimizer_use_invisible_indexes      boolean     FALSE
    optimizer_use_pending_statistics     boolean     FALSE
    optimizer_use_sql_plan_baselines     boolean     TRUE
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    SYSSTATS_INFO        DSTART                          03-11-2010 16:33
    SYSSTATS_INFO        DSTOP                           03-11-2010 17:03
    SYSSTATS_INFO        FLAGS                         0
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        CPUSPEEDNW           713.978495
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        IOSEEKTIM                    10
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        IOTFRSPEED                 4096
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        SREADTIM               1565.746
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        MREADTIM
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        CPUSPEED                   2310
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        MBRC
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        MAXTHR
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        SLAVETHR
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    {code}
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    {code}
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    Execute      1      0.00       0.00          0          0          4           0
    Fetch        0      0.00       0.00          0          0          0           0
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    Optimizer mode: ALL_ROWS
    Parsing user id: 324
    {code}
    ... large section omitted ...
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    {code}
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    Execute      1      0.00       0.00          0          0          0           0
    Fetch        1      0.47       0.47          0       9384          0           1
    total        3      0.48       0.48          0       9384          0           1
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    {code}
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    {code}
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    Parse        1      0.00       0.00          0          0          0           0
    Execute      2      0.00       0.00          0          0          4           0
    Fetch        0      0.00       0.00          0          0          0           0
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    Misses in library cache during parse: 1
    Misses in library cache during execute: 1
    OVERALL TOTALS FOR ALL RECURSIVE STATEMENTS
    call     count       cpu    elapsed       disk      query    current        rows
    Parse       70      0.00       0.00          0          0          0           0
    Execute     85      0.01       0.01          0         62        208          37
    Fetch       49      0.48       0.49          0       9490          0          35
    total      204      0.51       0.51          0       9552        208          72
    Misses in library cache during parse: 5
    Misses in library cache during execute: 3
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       53  internal SQL statements in session.
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    Trace file compatibility: 11.1.0.7
    Sort options: default
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          35  user  SQL statements in trace file.
          53  internal SQL statements in trace file.
          88  SQL statements in trace file.
          51  unique SQL statements in trace file.
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    optimizer_index_cost_adj             integer     100
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    SYSSTATS_INFO        DSTOP                           09-24-2007 11:09
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    SYSSTATS_MAIN        IOTFRSPEED                 4096
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        SREADTIM
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        MREADTIM
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        CPUSPEED
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        MBRC
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        MAXTHR
    SYSSTATS_MAIN        SLAVETHR
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    {code}
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    Execute      1      0.00       0.01          0          2         16           0
    Fetch        0      0.00       0.00          0          0          0           0
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    Optimizer mode: ALL_ROWS
    Parsing user id: 113
    {code}
    ... large section omitted ...
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    {code}
    OVERALL TOTALS FOR ALL NON-RECURSIVE STATEMENTS
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    Parse        1      0.00       0.02          0          0          0           0
    Execute      1      0.00       0.00          0          2         16           0
    Fetch        0      0.00       0.00          0          0          0           0
    total        2      0.00       0.02          0          2         16           0
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    OVERALL TOTALS FOR ALL RECURSIVE STATEMENTS
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    Parse       65      0.01       0.01          0          1         32           0
    Execute     84      0.04       0.09         20         90        272          35
    Fetch       88      0.00       0.10         30        281          0          64
    total      237      0.07       0.21         50        372        304          99
    Misses in library cache during parse: 38
    Misses in library cache during execute: 32
       10  user  SQL statements in session.
       76  internal SQL statements in session.
       86  SQL statements in session.
    Trace file: 10gSID_ora_32003.trc
    Trace file compatibility: 10.01.00
    Sort options: default
           1  session in tracefile.
          10  user  SQL statements in trace file.
          76  internal SQL statements in trace file.
          86  SQL statements in trace file.
          43  unique SQL statements in trace file.
         949  lines in trace file.
           0  elapsed seconds in trace file.
    {code}
    Edited by: user8598842 on Mar 11, 2010 5:08 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