Upgrading from Tiger Server (10.4) to Lion?

I have an Apple Xserve (Dual 2.66 GHz Xeon proccessors, currently running Tiger Server, 10.4) I'm hoping to upgrade to Lion. The server is used at a non-profit community center so we've had to pass on the last few upgrades (Leopard, Snow Leopard) given the price tags (~$500), but since Lion server was announced at only $50, I've been thinking about trying to upgrade it. From what I've read, this $50 copy is good for a full, clean install, and not just an upgrade-only version. Is that true?
So here's the real question; Can I upgrade straight from server 10.4 to server 10.7?
According to the Step 1 here (http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/how-to-buy/), I first need to upgrade to the latest version of Snow Leopard, but no way will I pay $500 for it. What are my options?
What happens if I install a standard (non-server) version of Snow Leopard on the server, then try to upgrade from there? Will I lose all server functionality? My assumption would be that this would result in upgrading most of my non-server applications, while leaving me with the 10.4 versions of all the server/administrator applications. Is this at all correct? Or do I lose all server functionality by using a standard user disc?
Any responses would be greatly appreciated. We're looking at spending several thousand dollars on an entirely new server, but if we can salvage this one for $50, it would be a no-brainer. Thanks!

Hello, bambe009, and welcome to the forums,
Because it hasn't actually shipped yet any answers here are speculation and nothing is actually known for certain.
That being said it does appear that the only means of distribution will be via the App Store (with some 'sort of' exemptions for large institutional and educational buyers) so some form of Leopard appears it will be necessary.
It may be possible that your client Leopard to Lion Server may very well work (there's nothing to stop you from installing client Leopard on the Xserve) but the obvious downside of this is that you will need to recreate all your services and accounts etc from scratch in Lion. There is a upgrade/migration path for going from 10.4 to either 10.5 or 10.6 that updates your old services and accounts from one server set-up to the new one. I speculate that Lion will have a similar system to move from Snow Leopard Server to Lion Server and assuming it does you would lose this moving from the client version to server.
In addition it seems that the Lion Server "add-on" is essentially $50 upgrade to the product itself making the total cost more like $80 total, but still distinctly less than before.
Again - this is several layers of speculation about a product that does not exist yet so several large grains of salt should be taken with this.
My $.02,
=Tod

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    0x96772000 - 0x967e1fff com.apple.PDFKit 2.0 (2.0) /System/Library/Frameworks/Quartz.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/PDFKit.framew ork/Versions/A/PDFKit
    0x967e2000 - 0x96809fff libcups.2.dylib ??? (???) <6b61eb99e6f5dd2d66cd224e9f82427d> /usr/lib/libcups.2.dylib
    0x9680a000 - 0x9680fffb com.apple.DisplayServicesFW 2.0 (2.0) <8953865f53e940007a4e4ac5390d3c95> /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DisplayServices.framework/Versions/A/DisplayS ervices
    0x96810000 - 0x96cdcffe libGLProgrammability.dylib ??? (???) <ebd2e6c99ec2662b4bdaa3212ab94aed> /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGLProgramma bility.dylib
    0xfffe8000 - 0xfffebfff libobjc.A.dylib ??? (???) /usr/lib/libobjc.A.dylib
    0xffff0000 - 0xffff1780 libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib

    I am assuming you upgraded from Tiger to Leopard? What type of installation did you use?
    My suggestion would be to
    1.) go to your home folder and MOVE the mailboxes to the desktop -
    • Home>Library>Mail
    2.) Move "Mail" Folder to desktop
    3.) Reopen Mail.app
    4.) Setup account settings with no existing mailboxes
    5.) Wait
    • Allow mailboxes to download or set up any existing mail from mail servers
    6.) Take ALL accounts OFFLINE after mail is downloaded from servers - disable network activity before importing old mailboxes
    7.) Import OLD Mailboxes
    • File>Import Mailboxes...
    • Import data from "mac os x mailboxes" OR "mbox files"
    8.) Wait
    • It should be a few moments to load these depending on how much existing mail you have.
    9.) If you have duplicates I highly reccomend using these apple scripts from aamann to resolve any additional issues:
    • http://homepage.mac.com/aamann/Mail_Scripts.html
    Apple Scripts:
    Add Addresses (Mail)
    * Add addresses found in the selected messages (in the header fields "From", "To", "Cc", "Bcc", and "Reply-To") to the Address Book. This is much more flexible than the "Add Sender to Address Book" available in Mail and provides a convenient way for creating mailing lists.
    Archive Messages (Mail)
    * Move messages from the selected mailbox(es) to an archive mailbox or export them to standard mbox, plain or rich text files for backup purposes or import into other applications. You can select to move all messages or only messages sent within or certain period as well filter messages based on their read and flagged status.
    Change SMTP Server (Mail)
    * Switch between different already defined SMTP servers or define a new one. This is especially useful if you are using your computer in more than one location and have to switch servers for several accounts at once.
    Create Rule (Mail)
    * Create a new rule based on the first of the selected messages. This saves you the trouble of copy/pasting address or other info between the message and the rule window and provides a much quicker way for setting up a rule with multiple criteria/actions.
    Remove Duplicates (Mail)
    * Locate all duplicate messages found in the selected mailbox(es) and move them to a separate mailbox for easy removal (duplicate matching is based on the unique message header "Message-Id").
    Schedule Delivery (Mail)
    * Allows you to send individual messages at predefined times (this script uses iCal for scheduling message delivery).
    Send all Drafts (Mail)
    * Immediately send all messages in the "Drafts" folders for all accounts. This saves you from having to open each draft in order to send it.
    Open Mailbox, Open Message (Mail)
    * Two small faceless scripts which will open mailboxes with new messages or the new messages themselves when run as a rule action.
    Filter Sent Messages (Mail)
    * Another faceless scripts which will apply your rules to the messages in the "Sent" mailbox.
    Export Addresses (Address Book)
    * Export addresses from the Address Book into tab-delimited text files. You can select which groups and which fields you want to export.
    Search Addresses (Address Book)
    * Find all addresses inside the Address Book matching one or more criteria. As opposed to the "Search" function built into the Address Book, this lets you search in any field as well as for empty and non-empty fields (Note: due to a bug in the Address Book's AppleScript implementation, "First Name" will always return a non-empty value for system versions of at least up to 10.3.2 - I have reported this bug to Apple and hope that they fix it with the next system update).
    * As an example, you might use this script to search for all phone numbers with a certain area code in order to update your contacts after an area code change.
    Good Luck,
    Hope this helps!
    Samantha S.

  • Upgrade from tiger to 10.6.3

    Providing I have the memory & intel processor, am I able to upgrade (load) snow leopard 10.6.3 if i have 10.4 tiger, or do I need to 1st load 10.6 then load the 10.6.3?  I am pretty sure I cannot go directly any higher than 10.6.3 from tiger correct?

    You cannot upgrade beyond Snow Leopard until you upgrade to Snow Leopard 10.6.8. If you plan to upgrade from Tiger, then I suggest you don't actually upgrade but rather erase the drive and do a clean install of Snow Leopard.
    Upgrade Paths to Snow Leopard, Lion, and/or Mountain Lion
    You can upgrade to Mountain Lion from Lion or directly from Snow Leopard. Mountain Lion can be downloaded from the Mac App Store for $19.99. To access the App Store you must have Snow Leopard 10.6.6 or later installed.
    Upgrading to Snow Leopard
    You can purchase Snow Leopard through the Apple Store: Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard — Apple Store (U.S.). The price is $19.99 plus tax. You will be sent physical media by mail after placing your order.
    After you install Snow Leopard you will have to download and install the Mac OS X 10.6.8 Update Combo v1.1 to update Snow Leopard to 10.6.8 and give you access to the App Store. Access to the App Store enables you to download Mountain Lion if your computer meets the requirements.
         Snow Leopard General Requirements
           1. Mac computer with an Intel processor
           2. 1GB of memory
           3. 5GB of available disk space
           4. DVD drive for installation
           5. Some features require a compatible Internet service provider;
               fees may apply.
           6. Some features require Apple’s iCloud services; fees and
               terms apply.
    Upgrading to Lion
    If your computer does not meet the requirements to install Mountain Lion, it may still meet the requirements to install Lion.
    You can purchase Lion by contacting Customer Service: Contacting Apple for support and service — this includes international calling numbers. The cost is $19.99 (as it was before) plus tax.  It's a download. You will get an email containing a redemption code that you then use at the Mac App Store to download Lion. Save a copy of that installer to your Downloads folder because the installer deletes itself at the end of the installation.
         Lion System Requirements
           1. Mac computer with an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7,
               or Xeon processor
           2. 2GB of memory
           3. OS X v10.6.6 or later (v10.6.8 recommended)
           4. 7GB of available space
           5. Some features require an Apple ID; terms apply.
    Upgrading to Mountain Lion
    To upgrade to Mountain Lion you must have Snow Leopard 10.6.8 or Lion installed. Purchase and download Mountain Lion from the App Store. Sign in using your Apple ID. Mountain Lion is $19.99 plus tax. The file is quite large, over 4 GBs, so allow some time to download. It would be preferable to use Ethernet because it is nearly four times faster than wireless.
         OS X Mountain Lion — System Requirements
           Macs that can be upgraded to OS X Mountain Lion
             1. iMac (Mid 2007 or newer) — Model Identifier 7,1 or later
             2. MacBook (Late 2008 Aluminum, or Early 2009 or newer) —
                 Model Identifier 5,1 or later
             3. MacBook Pro (Mid/Late 2007 or newer) — Model Identifier 3,1 or later
             4. MacBook Air (Late 2008 or newer) — Model Identifier 2,1 or later
             5. Mac mini (Early 2009 or newer) — Model Identifier 3,1 or later
             6. Mac Pro (Early 2008 or newer) — Model Identifier 3,1 or later
             7. Xserve (Early 2009) — Model Identifier 3,1 or later
    To find the model identifier open System Profiler in the Utilities folder. It's displayed in the panel on the right.
    Are my applications compatible?
             See App Compatibility Table — RoaringApps.
         For a complete How-To introduction from Apple see Upgrade to OS X Mountain Lion.

  • What will I lose when upgrading from Tiger to Leopard

    I am relatively new to Macs and am concerned about what I will lost if we upgrade out Mac mini server from Tiger to leopard. There was a time when new Apple computers were not backward compatible, certainly Microsoft upgrades always have issues. Thus I have fear for performing an upgrade from Tiger to Leopard on our server without knowing what we are in for.
    I looked at some of the discussion threads here and elsewhere. I see a lot of minutiae but none that would be an issue to me. Then again, no one seems to put out a publication (including/especially Apple) that say here are the possible drawbacks.
    I guess our biggest concern in our existing data. Are there any types of document formats that we will no longer be able to read?
    I assume Office, Photoshop and those types of programs will be fine as surely the publishers have issues the necessary updates. Is that correct?
    Are there any mainstream issues that could come as a surprise to us and present serious problems?
    Thank you,
    Robert

    I guess our biggest concern in our existing data. Are there any types of >>document formats that we will no longer be able to read?
    Only if the applications which open those documents run in Classic.
    And only if you do not have another program that can open them.
    for example, Filemaker...I used FM5 (classic app)...OSX versions of FM were both overkill for my needs and cost prohibitive, so I never upgraded.
    Lost access to all those files.
    Fortunately, I was able to download a demo of FM9, open the files, export them to XLS format, then open them in either excel or numbers. Of course, lost the database functionality, embedded images were no longer there, and calculated fields failed, but at least the data fields converted.
    The issue in photoshop, from what I understand, is saving to a network drive.
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    Save locally, then copy to a network drive, and pshop should work fine.
    Are you already on Intel, or are you on PPC? you may find some other quirks if you are also upgrading to an Intel based system.
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  • Upgrade from Panther Server with Raid1

    Trying to upgrade from Panther Server with software Raid1. Upgrade fails with "Could not prepare disk". I'm guessing it has to do with the RAID1? I need to upgrade and not do a clean install.
    Could I upgrade to tiger server first?

    Wow, Panther server. Ah the memories... Anyway, what you are running into is an issue with the actual Apple RAID software versions. If you run this command:
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    Apple RAID version: 1
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    diskutil convertRaid
    You will get:
    Convert a 1.x RAID set (Mac OS 10.3 Panther or earlier) to a 2.x RAID set.
    The filesystem must be mounted and resizeable (i.e. Journaled HFS+).
    Ownership of the affected disk is required.
    Example: diskutil convertRAID /Volumes/RAID
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    Boot from your Leopard install media and then before attempting to install, open the Terminal and use the command above. Provided you formated as HFS+ journaled you will be fine.
    *Make sure you have a backup!*
    Oh, and if this fails, then run a diskutil list and hope that you did not install the OS 9 firewire drivers. If you did, then nuking and paving is likely your only option. In that case, I would suggest a clone, then a Raid break, then a creation of a new RAID set, then a restore, then an upgrade.
    Again, make sure you back everything up. Be ready to revert back to your clone. Stop all services before upgrading. Export all users and groups. Just be safe. Panther to Leopard can be a tricky upgrade. If you are using MySQL, do a dump before attempting.
    Hope this helps. Backup first. Backup many places.

  • Sent Mail folder empty after upgrading from Tiger to Leopard

    Hi,
    Many thanks in advance for your attention.
    Writing for a friend:
    This is for their PowerPC G5. Running OS 10.5. Mail - version 3.
    When they upgraded from Tiger to Leopard (not an Erase and Install), their Sent Mail folder in Mail was empty of any sent mail.
    However, I can see they have sent mail in their Home/Library/Mail folder.
    How to I get Sent Mail in Mail to see this?
    (Drag and drop does not seem to work. I tried to drag and drop one saved mail from the Home Library/Mail folder into the Sent Mail folder in Mail and it didn't take).
    They have only one email account.
    Thank you,
    - Ross

    Lonnie, thanks
    Mailbox behaviors set up exactly as you describe, "Store sent messages on server" is checked and "Delete" set "Never".
    Rebuild doesn't really help.
    I use Kerio 6.0.6 mail server, with IMAP (143) for incoming and SMTP (25) for sending.
    And it works already like four or five years without problems.
    Any ideas would be appreciated.
    Thanks a lot.
    Leo.

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