Upgrading in Tiger 10.4.11 possible?

My itunes/ipod touch sync computer is a G4 iMac running 10.4.11 (I know, overdue for update, was going to get a new 27" iMac a few months back but yellow screen issue postponed that purchase...).
This weekend I was going to update to iTunes 9.2 and then update Touch 64GB to iOS4, but I happened to spot that it also says that OS 10.5.8 is needed.
System Requirements
Mac computer with USB 2.0 port
Mac OS X v10.5.8 or later
iTunes 9.2 or later
Is this for real - Has anyone updated their ipod Touch 3 Gen to iOS4 using a Tiger OS computer?
If this isn't possible, this is going to be a bigger project than I initially thought it would be for us with older hardware.

Is this for real
Yes. Mac computer with USB 2.0 port, Mac OS X v10.5.8 or later, & iTunes 9.2 or later are required.

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    [How to use FireWire target disk mode|http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1661] includes description of hardware and software requirements.
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    [How To: Installing Tiger Using FireWire Target Disk Mode|http://www.applelinks.com/index.php/more/osx_odyssey_752_how_to_installing_tiger_using_firewire_target_diskmode>

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