Upgrading PC for CS6

Hello,
First of all, thanks to all out there who are reading this! I'm new to the forum, and I have been reading a fair bit from others who are upgrading but I have not found all the answers. So, here is my issue:
I have used Production Suite CS2 for several years, but it is way out of date and unable at all to cope with the AVCHD footage from my new camera. I'm currently in the first stages of a documentary film on kayaking, so, it is time to upgrade the machine and then probably do on online subsciption to Premiere and Possible After Effects. My old Production Suite I'll keep on the old PC for Photoshop and Audition.
I read all the tech specs, but I am still unclear on the graphics cards and sound cards.
In visting my local computer shop here in Christchurch NZ, he came up with an option that is within my budget. Does this sound reasonable? They mainly cater to gamers, but the basic package they offer is what I have pasted below with a few modifications. My pc would have 16gb ram and a less blingy case :-)
I showed him the list of supported cards which included the GTX285 through to 580. So, what is the situation with the newer cards? Do they need a hack? How do they perform? The computer guy suggested I might be able to use a GTX660 which would save me a few hundred dollars. I'm assuming I do not need to spend the $$$ on a Quadro card? I'm not very knowlegable about this kind of thing, so any thoughts would be most appreciated.
The tech specs also mention a "ASIO protocol or Microsoft WGM/MME" sound card. Does this mean the basic sound card will not work, or just that I will not be able to do advanced sound work (eg surround sound)?
Finally, does anyone have any thoughts on Windows 7 versus 8? I'm inclined to go with 8, but I'd appreciate some feedback.
Thank you very much again for your assistance.
Regards,
Bill
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Intel (BX80637I73770) i7 3770, 3.4GHz, 4x Core, 8x Threads, 8MB Cache, 77W, Socket 1155, HD Graphics 4000, Ivy Bridge, Retail Pack with Intel Cooler.
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Gigabyte (GA-Z77-D3H) Motherboard, Socket 1155, Intel Z77, 4xDDR3, USB3.0, SATA-3, PCI-E 3.0, VGA, DVI, HDMI, RAID, ATX, (not Support SLI), with Internal USB3.0 headers.
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Adata (ASP900S3-128GM-C) 128GB Read/Write 555/520MB/s, SATA-3, 2.5", SP900 Series, 3 Years Warranty. [ASP900S3,]
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Western Digital (WD30EZRX) Caviar Green, 3TB, 64MB Cache, 5400-7200RPM, SATA-3, 3.5", Intellipower, 24 Months Warranty.
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LG (CH12LS28) 12X Blu-ray/DVD Combo Drive, BD 10R/DVD 16R/16W/12RW, Internal, SATA, Black, LightScribe. "Special"
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Generic (CRD-INT-BLK) 3.5" Internal All In 1 Card Reader/Writer + USB
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NZXT (PHAN410-BK) Phantom 410 Crafted Steel Mid-Tower Chassis, USB3.0, 1 x 140mm Blue LED (Top), 2 x 120mm (1 x Front, 1 x Rear, Black. [PHAN410-,]
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Generic (FDD-MTBK) Floppy Disk Mount Frame - Black
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Gigabyte (GV-N670OC-2GD) GeForce GTX670, 2GB, DDR5, Multi-view 4, PCI-E 3.0, SLI ready.
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Antec (0-761345-10586-6) 750W High Current Gamer Power Supply, 80 PLUS Bronze, 135mm fan, High Current +12V rail(s), 4x PCI-E, 9x SATA, 6x Molex
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Adata (8GBDDR31600B) 1x8GB, DDR3-1600, PC3-12800, DIMM.
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Intel (BX80637I73770) i7 3770, 3.4GHz, 4x Core, 8x Threads, 8MB Cache, 77W, Socket 1155, HD Graphics 4000, Ivy Bridge, Retail Pack with Intel Cooler.
Change this to the i7-3770K for overclocking
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Gigabyte (GA-Z77-D3H) Motherboard, Socket 1155, Intel Z77, 4xDDR3, USB3.0, SATA-3, PCI-E 3.0, VGA, DVI, HDMI, RAID, ATX, (not Support SLI), with Internal USB3.0 headers.
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Adata (ASP900S3-128GM-C) 128GB Read/Write 555/520MB/s, SATA-3, 2.5", SP900 Series, 3 Years Warranty. [ASP900S3,]
Consider Corsair Neutron Pro, Kingston HyperX, Plextor M5 Pro or Samsung 840 Pro
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Western Digital (WD30EZRX) Caviar Green, 3TB, 64MB Cache, 5400-7200RPM, SATA-3, 3.5", Intellipower, 24 Months Warranty.
NEVER Green disks. Get at least two WD Caviar Blacks or Seagate 7200.14 or similar 7200 RPM disks
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LG (CH12LS28) 12X Blu-ray/DVD Combo Drive, BD 10R/DVD 16R/16W/12RW, Internal, SATA, Black, LightScribe. "Special"
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Generic (CRD-INT-BLK) 3.5" Internal All In 1 Card Reader/Writer + USB
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NZXT (PHAN410-BK) Phantom 410 Crafted Steel Mid-Tower Chassis, USB3.0, 1 x 140mm Blue LED (Top), 2 x 120mm (1 x Front, 1 x Rear, Black. [PHAN410-,]
Get a BIG tower, not a mid size case.
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Generic (FDD-MTBK) Floppy Disk Mount Frame - Black
Why?
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Gigabyte (GV-N670OC-2GD) GeForce GTX670, 2GB, DDR5, Multi-view 4, PCI-E 3.0, SLI ready.
SLI is not supported. The card is good.
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Antec (0-761345-10586-6) 750W High Current Gamer Power Supply, 80 PLUS Bronze, 135mm fan, High Current +12V rail(s), 4x PCI-E, 9x SATA, 6x Molex
Better get a Gold label 750+ W PSU from Seasonic or Corsair
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Adata (8GBDDR31600B) 1x8GB, DDR3-1600, PC3-12800, DIMM.
Get at least 16 or better 32 GB memory.
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On a new system I would opt for Win8.

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No Standalone Upgrade Pathway For CS6 Apps

As many of you who are regular in the forums know, I am a supporter and early adopter of Creative Cloud.
However as few you are ready to admit, I'm not a blind sheep drinking the red Adobe Koolaid...
There are in fact glaring flaws in Adobe Creative Cloud, both in terms of the business model and some the Applications methods.
One of these is the overall upgrade pathway which has changed dramatically...
On top of limiting the Upgrade Pathway to 2 versions back (CS5 and 5.5), Standalone products have been elimintated from the upgrade pathway.
As many of you know the standalone upgrade pathway has been a beneift Adobe has provided since CS was first introduced over 10 years ago.
Now only Bundle users of these previouis versions can upgrade. Anyone else has to buy new Bundles outright meaning that their older standalone license provides no addtional value or upgrade opportunity/savings as it had in the past.
I pesronally don't understand this from a business point of view as announcing this change and allowing 6 months before closing the standalone upgrade would have been financially beneficial. See unlike most people who are complaining about Creative Cloud subscription model, I don't believe Adobe is doing it to "rake in the cash" or because its a "scam".
If that were true, announcing the upgrade pathway for Standalone products would be ending and putting a countdown clock would have made them huge revenue as I anticipate the following would have taken place:
Standalone users of Products like InDesign, Illustrator, After Effects and Flash, would have upgraded to Design Standard, Design Premium, Production Premium or Web Premium to get the most out of their Standalone product in terms of savings without moving to Creative Cloud, and to be able to leverage those other products without moving from the box model if they plan to expand their business in the future.
Studios and Agencies with older individual boxed products would have upgraded to take advantage of savings and still be able to stay out of Creative Cloud.
Freelancers using any one of the three "Trinity Products" (Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator) would have upgrade for the $500 difference as this is less than a year of Creative Cloud and would allow them to keep a box product if they plan expanding their services within the scope of the Trinity.
While I don't appreciate this as I was looking at getting some value and savings out of some old standalone products I have on various machines throughout the years, it tells me for certain that there is more to this than money (which I realized early and have been trying to point out).
It may be a STRONG ARM and forceful tactic, but Adobe is trying to move as many people as possible on to a SINGLE CODE BASE and they anticipate they will be able to do it within 3-5 years using their current aggressive strategy.
Why some of you may not care, those of you who are either into technology, do alot of collaboration or are intruiged by some Adobe's business decisions will want to read on about what I'm seeing here.
Those of you who have ever had to manage a large website without the benefit of a CMS know that when you have to update something "minor" it can have major implecations. Especially if certain indivual pages or functionality were "inherited" from how someone else coded the site before you and changing too many things to be more efficient would require a complete tear down and overall. Adobe CC was that tear down and overall as they scrapped much of the legacy code that was still around in CS6 (which also had huge coding overhauls). For example, there was a lot of junk code in the Mac version of InDesign even in CS6 and they upgraded that product to a 64bit version, which is a huge deal when you are doing 1000 page technical manuals in InDesign...
Now imagine that you have to manage maintaining for all OS versions for the forseeable future all 12 of the main Applications in versions CS3- CS6 and CC that is over 70 Applications to maintain the codebase for. Imagine being told you have to maintain that many websites, all with their own indiviudal logic, quirks and standards with huge gaps of inconsistency in between.
Now imagine you could make the decision to only have to maintain 24 and eventually just 12...
Now if your in video production or print production, imagine you never have to export or package your files to accomodate for the fact you and someone else may be on a different Adobe version.
Now you can see why these tactics are being enforced even though in the short term they actually cost Adobe money and potentially even customers. Its a long end game based in the logistics of support, management and reallocating those resources to moving forward and eventually only ever building around a singular code base. Instead of Adobe dividing resources and attention across the legacy products everything will laser focused on maintaining what I refer to as "Adobe Solid (CS6-CC)" vs "Adobe Legacy (CS1-CS5.5)". Even just supporting "Modern Adobe (CS3-CS5.5)" would be (and has been) very labor intensive.
Microsoft made a similar attempt to reduce their burden by abandoning support of all Windows versions prior to Vista.
When you detach from the emotional sense of shock, betrayal or what have you and put yourself in the position of making a productivity based decision that reduces your own overhead and cost, its hard not understand where Adobe is coming from here. In their situation I think most of us would make the same choices. Companies who make decisions based on customer reactions, shock value etc. instead of figuring out what is and is not sustainable.
Also if you look at the long term in 3-5 years most Adobe users will be on either CS6 or CC. Eventually Adobe will not support CS6 on new operating systems which means 5-8 years from now we can expect the majority of Adobe users will be on Creative Cloud, consolidating the ecosystem ( a very Apple like idea actually). Eliminating several problems in terms of compatibility within the Creative Services Industry and reducing Adobe's burden in managing Adobe Legacy and thus internal cost, which will ideally translate eventually to reduced cost to customers or added value to the Creative Cloud product library.
I can be optimistic in this way because of Adobe's track record in adding value and services, discounts etc in the past, and the fact they have not raised rates. Since CS was introduced over 10 years ago if anything the rates have gotten cheaper even while the software continues to improve. For all of what Photoshop did for the price 10 years ago, the price today is the same and its is so much more than a mere image editing progam, now capable of Video, Animation/Motion Graphics, 3D modeling, Some Web Design, it really is the swiss army knife of the Creative Services Industry.
So am I annoyed at the Upgrade pathway being narrowed down to nothing. Absolutely. Do I think it was done purely for greed. No. It doesn't make sense, I would literally be trying to give me money and they are not giving me a way to do it, because they aggressively are on a path that is about a larger goal than taking that money from me today. Do I feel alienated, yes on the surface. Do I still understand and support the decision, Absolutely.
When something is the right choice, its the right choice, regardless of whether it is right for you. I can't argue with practicallity even when I'm screwed by it, so all I can do is try to be on the right side of it, and get over it when I'm not. It's not something I recommend taking personally.
There were people who couldn't appreciate this when the transition from film to digital was taking place. Where are they now. The times they are a changing.

I have to respectfully disagree with you.... Adobe has changed to a company all about profit. For me profit is not a dirty word. we all need it to stay in business...
However... I purchased my CS6 collection completely online... I can update it when I choose... and I own it... last year we had the choice to own or rent..
I chose to own.... I dont begrudge the renters I merely want choice... Adobe removed choice because it realized it could turn us into digital addicts... stop renting
and yes your files dont vanish but you cant use them... .... dont confuse software evolution with monopolisation and Digital Racketeering. ..Adobe made almost a Billion
dollar NET profit last year...I think they deserved it... but gouging users is not the way to go....
The answer I normally get here is well stay on CS6... and I will..... the out pouring of hate with the cloud is because so many users actually love adobe products.. I know
I do... There will be a gap in the market for about two years as other companies replace Adobes products... but it will happen.. I like many others will wait it out...
For me the ones I feel sorry for are Adobe employees who are left with the fallout of this horrendous decisicion... I salute you from afar....

News: Adobe cuts "three versions back" upgrade policy for CS6

Thought you all would be interested in this news just out:
Adobe cuts "three versions back" upgrade policy for CS6

Thought you all would be interested in this news just out:
Adobe cuts "three versions back" upgrade policy for CS6

My company purchased CS5.5 this year. However, we missed the 5 August upgrade deadline for CS6.

We were not inform of the deadline for download of compliementary upgrade to CS6. Any way to get the complimentary upgrade?
I've talked to the Chat Support from Adobe. Apparently, he is not helpful at all.

Erm, not helpful at all. We did a purchase in January 2012 with the distributor on the pretext that there will be upgrade from CS6. So, what we did is buy the upgrade from CS2 to CS5.
After checking with support from Adobe from http://www.adobe.com/sea/support/contact/
Singapore: 800 448 1642
They are saying that I have to purchase from March and that the deadline to get free upgrade is on August.
And the upgrade from CS5.5 to CS6 web premium is not cheap either. Seems like we are stuck in CS5.5.

FAQ: If I buy Photoshop CS5 now, will I get a free upgrade when Photoshop CS6 comes out?

The following document explains:
Upgrade policy after new product announcement
Because Adobe hasn't officially announced official CS6 pricing and availability dates yet, your best bet is to wait until there is an official announcement on pricing and availability.

The upgrade policy for CS6 was posted yesterday:
Complimentary upgrades for CS6 products
If you purchased Creative Suite 5.5 or a Creative Suite 5.5 component on or after March 26, 2012, you qualify to receive a complimentary upgrade to the equivalent Creative Suite 6 product at no additional cost when it becomes available.
See link above for for comprehensive Adobe upgrade info or the link below for CS6 specific details.
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/upgrade-policy-product-announcement.html #id_60845
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I want to upgrade to CS6 Production Premium suite from CS5.5. Can I use CS6 upgrade made for CS5, or do I have to use upgrade that specifically states for CS5.5.

I want to upgrade to CS6 Production Premium suite from CS5.5. Can I use CS6 upgrade made for CS5, or do I have to use upgrade that specifically states for CS5.5.
I am referring to the DVD installation Disks not Cloud. Disk last release, I believe in 2012.
Thank you.

at the link i posted i see an upgrade for cs5 and cs5.5.
you can contact adobe support if you don't see that.
contact adobe support by clicking here and, when available, click 'still need help', https://helpx.adobe.com/contact.html

Upgrade question for laptop to run PPro CS6/CC

All,
I've spent the last several days reading, researching and generally getting up to speed on what my options are re hardware moving forward, and though I've been a lurker/user of these forums (and others) for years, this is my first time engaging directly now that I feel I know a bit more. I must also say how incredible a resource the regular users like Harm Millard have been to self-taught but enthusiastic newbies like me - thank you!
I've been a longtime self-taught, relatively light but still barely pro Premiere Pro user for the past ten years. For the past couple of years, I've been barely getting by using CS4 on my once-top-of-the-line Dell Precision M6500 laptop running Win7 Pro 32-bit. The M6500 is by far my favorite PC I've ever owned and is still rocking, even with older specs (listed below), but it is time to grow up, bite the bullet and (hopefully) upgrade this machine so that I can take advantage of CS6/CC and do a bit more heavy lifting (basic color correction, light After Effects, etc).
I currently shoot on a Sony AX2000 in AVCHD, but am starting to do more work on my Canon t3i and am close to moving up to a Canon 5D mk3, so will be using more HD MOV files in the near future, possibly alongside the old AVCHD footage. Most of my exports are for HD web uploads, but also occasionally export to DVD. I do not anticipate stepping up to Red footage or the like in the near or mid future.
My current laptop specs are as follows:
Win7 32-bit
4GB RAM
Intel i7 quad core M620 (2.67GHz)
500GB 7200rpm HDD
Nvidia Quadro FX 2800M
I've already ordered a RAM upgrade to get me to 16GB, have Win7 64-bit ready to install, and just bought 2 x 750GB 7200rpm HDD (Western Digital). Instead of investing in an all new machine (laptop or desktop), and considering the amazing stability and longevity (so far) of the M6500, I'd like to try and see if I can get this machine to a place where I can take advantage of CS6/CC and have it run stably and somewhat fast. I realize it's not the best option, and that getting an all-new tricked out desktop is the preferred option, but for budget reasons, that's not possible right now.
Here's my plan:
Upgrade so that system will be:
Win7 64bit
16 GB RAM
2 x 750GB 7200rpm HDDs (internal)
rest of the system listed above would remain the same as above - namely CPU and graphics card
The machine can also support a mSATA mini SSD (up to 256GB), but I haven't splurged for that yet. I'm trying to figure out whether to use the two new HDDs in RAID 0 and have the OS, project files, cache, source footage and export files all on those two RAIDed drives, or whether it would make a truly huge difference to add another internal SSD as the boot/OS/Program Files drive and leave the RAID 0 configuration to handle all video and project files. I've read enough to assume that adding the SSD is the preferred option, but it's pricey, and what I'm trying to determine is whether or not it's really worth the cost vs a straight 2-HDD RAID 0 configuration.
I've read a lot about the dangers of RAID 0, but am not too concerned about failures since I use an online backup system (Sugarsync) for all my document files (this machine doubles as my main work PC) and I regularly back up all source and exported video files.
On a separate note, I realize that my graphics card is not listed among the supported cards for CS6/CC - is that going to cause stability and/or significant performance issues, or will it work since I won't be doing 4k/Red files? Is the CUDA hack an option for me? I have the option of upgrading the card to a supported card (Nividia M5000), but it's hugely pricey (close to $2k) and unless it will make the machine an absolute stud for years to come, it's not worth it.
So in short (yeah right ), here are my questions:
Does my proposed new system have the juice to handle what I want to do?
Which HDD setup is preferred, and by what degree (do I absolutely have to get the SSD to make this work?):
2 x 750GB 7200rpm HDDs in RAID 0 for the entire machine
1 x SSD (what size is minimum recommended?) as boot/OS plus 2x750GB HDDs in RAID 0
Will my existing Quadro 2800M graphics card make the other RAM/HDD upgrades a waste of money?
Is my existing CPU powerful enough to warrant these other upgrades?
Sorry for the long post, and thanks for any help you guys can provide!
Van

Van,
Tough love - I'm going to give you my honest opinion here, but it does make me feel bad since you seem to have already ordered parts before you posted.
1. In a word no. Your processor is dual core. You really want at least quad core + hyperthreading for the media that you will be pushing around. The Quadro 2800M only has 96 CUDA cores and DDR3 (slow) memory. BTW, task manager shows 4 "cores" when you have a dual-core + hyperthreading.
2. I'd choose 2. - much nicer - worth the cost
3. yes
4. no
So what to do if you cut bait on your current plan and get a new laptop. Check out recent (< 6 mths old) threads here for lots of discussion at various price points. Gamers laptops and Sager/Clevo models definitely offer the best bang for the buck for laptops to run Premiere, mostly due to the GTX video line trouncing the Quadro line for performance for the price. I loved the Dell M6500 in its time. If you want to replace it with something current day the M6700 is good, but I like what HP is doing for the 17" workstation class even better in 2013. If you can buy a few months, I suspect the new smaller die size 22nm Intel cpus will be really help for laptop performance (desktops have just about all the cpu cooling capacity required, but in laptops cooling through tiny tiny coolers and tiny, tiny, quiet fans is way limited - so, the new lower wattage, cooler 22nm cpus should be much larger boost for laptop users than workstations).
I suspect that I would really enjoy editing on a well thought out $1500 Asus, even better on a $2200 Sager, and would have similar performance with the support of HP or Dell at closer to a $3000 price point for the media you mention above. ADK sells Sager/Clevo laptops and has much better support for video (and audio) editors than HP or Dell ever dreamed to provide; prices would be a bit more than www Sager dealers but ADK is a no-brainer if you want "real" support and a machine that is tweaked for Adobe.
Regards,
Jim

Upgrades for CS6 and Lightroom 4 issues...

I bought both upgrades for CS6 and Lightroom 4. I downloaded the upgrades on my MAC desktop computer. Everything was fine. When I searched for them in applicatins, it showed both CS5 and CS6 and the same for Lightroom 3 and Lightroom 4. Should I delete CS5 and Lightroom 3? Thanks in advance.

Feel free to remove the older versions if you are reasonably sure you have migrated all your files and have no technical issues. Just make sure to run the proper uninstallers, not just trash the apps. Also be warned that you may need to reinstall LR4 and CS6 to fix broken file associations and shared components like Bridge...
Mylenium

My s/n for PC to Mac Upgrade won't work for new install for CS6 on Mac

I bought CS5 in 2011 for PC, then upgraded to CS6 for Mac (HUGE hassle) in 2012. Trying to install on my new computer, and I can't select CS6 from the list. The serial number for CS5 don't work (probably because they were for a PC OS), and the upgrade s/n for CS6, says the s/n is valid, but won't let me select CS6 from the list. This discussion thing is a hassle!! I've been "discussing" this for 2 days with no luck. Isn't there someone I can phone? Help!

you can contact adobe support using chat, http://www.adobe.com/support/chat/ivrchat.html

How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?

I'm a semi professional small-scale photographer. It's a hobby, but I do some commercial work. It certainly isn't a living (I have other income)
I've been on CS6 for some time. It does absolutely everything that I need, and in fact it's too much. I could do with an application that's somewhere between Lightroom+Elements and CS6. It doesn't exist.
But as I've paid for CS6 I'm quite happy to keep on using it ad infinitum - after all, with no more upgrades (CS7 etc) it's free now! But at a realistic level how long can I run it for, do you think? I run a good spec desktop PC with Windows 7. I use CS6 in 64bit mode, and also Bridge. Assuming my PC fails in 12 months time (it's three years old) I will get a new destop using Windows 8. CS6 will run under Windows 8, so no problems there. My new desktop may last 5 years? That gives me a total of 6 years using CS6.
Of course, there will need to be support from Adobe for CS6, in particular if any significant bugs arise. But why should there be new bugs, unless they are in relation to third-party plugins etc? CS6 has been out for some time. Adobe are not going to change it (they have their head stuck in a cloud) so it shouldn't get broken. Or am I wrong in thinking that?
Any thoughts?
To upgrade to CS6 http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_s l_creativesuite6.html?start=10
In the Photoshop CS6 row, click the Buy link
"I want to buy:", click on the dropdown menu and select Upgrade
click "I own" and on the dropdown menu select the relevant product which you already own
Follow the prompts from there to complete the purchase

Curt Y wrote:
That is the problem you have with any upgrade if you use the new features.
CC is more a trap then an upgrade.
A Photoshop only user is better off staying with CS6 and not be being trap.
While I would prefer to have the new features being added to ACR. I do not need the new improved old features with their new interfaces, new icons and new bugs. These change post processing work flow they only seem to slow user down and make more work for them. I also do not need or want the 3D tools. Photoshop is not a 3D program by design. Photoshop 3D feature is more an add-on and lacks features found in real 3D creation programs.
I want a stable image editor. While CS6 has bugs I know which bugs effect my work and know my way around most. Photoshop CS6 still occasionally crashes from time to time but now on my new machine it only seems to happen in SciptUIFlex and I can use Photoshop for days without a crash. Today was not one of them.
To tell you the truth all upgrade after CS3 have been plagued with bugs. I was not looking forward to having to upgrade to CS7.
It look like CC has its share of bugs too. Though CC seems to be starting off better then CS6 did. While there have been a few dozen bugs reported in Adobe's Photoshop Family problem forum. That is not a large number and most are not problems with CC crashing.

InDesign/InCopy CS5.5 or wait for CS6

We are currently an InDesign/InCopy workflow for our City quarterly magazine. I have InDesign on the Mac and there are 7 InCopy stations on PC's. I currently have CS5 for InDesign but have not upgraded the InCopy users yet so for the publication we are using CS4. We are looking at upgrading everyone now to CS5.5 but with CS6 on the horizon (and all the new epublication capabilities),I am wondering if it would be wise to just wait for CS6 at this point. We won't be able to upgrade for a couple more years after we do.
Any comments?
Thank you,
Holly

Ugh. I'm afraid I need to revise my remarks a bit:
It's a bit tough to find the pricing details on the web, but call an Adobe volume licesning reseller and I'm sure they'll be happy to quote it for you.
I was fooled by the nonfunctionality of the Discount calculator if you choose MultiNorthAmerican Language instead of Universal English. I turns out the rates are the same as at the Adobe Business Store.
And I guess it's not-so-good for you. $119 for a CS5.5 InDesign upgrade, and $210 for 2 years of maintenance. $89 each for the InCopy upgrades, and $76 for 2 years of maintenence. So extended out for 1 InDesign and 7 InCopy, that's $1484. Coincidently that's $742 for the upgrades and $742 for for the Update plan (how do they do that)?
But the kicker is, of course, if you had bought the upgrade plans at the same time as you bought the products, then you wouldn't be paying for the upgrade plans now. But of course, they only last 2 years...
But we've heard that Adobe is moving to a 12-month release cycle, so you theoretically expect to get two version for that $742 Update plan (CS6 and then the next one, be it CS7 or CS6.5 or whatever). Except you're inelligable to buy it today, since you don't have CS5.5.
So, umm, where does this leave you? I don't know. I guess I'm a fan of keeping current, because everything changes and you never know what you'll need. But the question is whether CS5.5 is worth it to you. So download the trial and see.
But if you upgrade to CS5.5, you should buy the maintenance. CS5.5 came out in April/May of 2011, so CS6 should come out around the same time, if everything works "acording to plan." So if you buy the maintenance in, say, February, then you'll get CS6 for the same price you paid for CS5.5, as well as the version that comes after it, asuming Adobe sticks to the same timetable.
Ugh. Maybe you should think about the subscription model, I don't know. Or increasing the number of seats so you make it over the TLP point restrictions and up to some actual discounted levels.

I bought a volume license for CS6. How do I now get a serial number for prior version (CS5.5)?

I bought a volume license for CS6 Design Standard. Because of my system restrictions for now I can only run a prior version (CS5.5). I have also previously downloaded its trial version which works perfect. Now, after buying a license for CS6 I would like to get a serial number for a prior version as well. How would I go about receiving it?
Many thanks in advance!
Nelle

Hi Nelle,
You can request downgrade from Adobe, but you can't get back to CS6 after that, so it might be better to upgrade your system?
Anyway, in my laptop CS6 has been running faster and better than CS5.5 without any changes to system, so you could give it a try before downgrading...
Joni

End of Upgrade Cycle for CS3 and CS4... Really Adobe?

As if business wasn't bad enough now I see there will be no upgrade paths past december for CS3 and 4 users. Is this how Adobe plans to keep users away from stopping their upgrades and reducing the number of machines they run Adobe products on? I understand Adobe is not a non-profit and has has to turn a revenue, but the geniuses at Marketing here have made a huge mistake by basically telling their customers that what they have so far will be worth zilch in comes 2013. That arbitrary deadline, is not consider some people who on the east coast are now cash strapped as anyone having to choose between home repairs and other such marvelous stuff and upgrading to CS6 guess what they'll choose. And for the lucky ones not heavily affected by the storms, they will donate to help their community before they will spend money to upgrade perfectly good software.
It wasn't enough that the upgrade path wasn't much of a discount, but in the current economy every penny counts! The choice of stopping support for CS3 and CS4 in my personal opinion an ill-advised move. I personally went from 3 to 4 within a short amount of time... then when 5 came out my budget didn't allow so I needed to wait. The new CS6 isn't direly needed so I decided I'd have to loose some additional "upgrade power" because money need to be directed elsewhere now... but the news that I'd loose all the upgrade power and would have kept on upgrading for nothing it's just ridiculous... and if that's the treatment a customer will have to expect from now on I think I'll use what I have and move to alternatives stopping to personally support Adobe products an rely on licensed copies at work instead. Perhaps Adobe hasn't notices we aren't exactly doing that great in US between the current economical situation, the various setbacks experienced across the country and for the fact that in this particular business most work is often being outsourced out of US these days... I am sure you will have a huge market on the countries where the outsourced work is being sent... as far as I am concerned comes 12/31/2013 I will no longer be an Adobe customer as Adobe is forcing me out of the upgrade cycle and I won't plan to re-enter anytime soon in the coming future... lesson learnt.
Thank you for your time (if any of the marketing gurus will have cared to read this far without laughing and discounting with a "screw those old customers, they should've upgraded earlier" which was basically the content of the email I got this week... pasted below)
Cheers,
tfbkny
Content of email received from Adobe saying last chance to upgrade now or what you got will be worthless in less than a couple months.
Dear Creative Suite customer:
We want to make sure you're aware of an important change to Adobe's upgrade policy that may affect you.
Beginning January 1, 2013, only Creative Suite customers with licenses for CS5 or CS5.5 versions will qualify for upgrade pricing to CS6.
Due to this change, we will only continue offering CS3 and CS4 customers like you special upgrade pricing through December 31, 2012.*
* Owners of CS3 and CS4 individual products and suite editions will be eligible to receive upgrade pricing to CS6 until December 31, 2012. After that date, only customers on CS5 or CS5.5 will qualify for upgrade pricing to CS6.

Adobe doesn't care, they don't have to. I like Phsotoshop and have been using it professionally for 20 years, but lets face it, I wouldnt mind some really good competition from another source. It didnt use to be the only game in town, and doesnt have to remain so.
I could brainstorm how I would want competing software to look like. Pshop is not the easiest workflow possible. Illustrator is clearly deficient to even CorelDraw, and certainly Freehand. I've been meaning to reconnect with CorelDraw. It did some cool things.
Google Chrome is pulling a lot of manoevers software wise and I hope they try to go a little deeper and give Adobe a run for their money on the one program they feel justifies unbelievable gouging. Go investigate Ableton Live if you want to see what a company that cares about its customers is doing, ADOBE. Audition is a JOKE compared to Ableton Live. Thank God we're not powned on the audio side by these suits.
The idea that a company would peddle buggy software, which CS4 was..., although some of that was Apple's fault, is bad, the upgrade prices were ridiculous, and this is the end of the road for me currently. The idea that a company would actively
push away customers is pretty incredible. "But I sent you an email!" Whoops, you gotta pay $1900 for production premium CS6! HAHAHAHAHA. Time for a YT video with my old hard copy box. Sounds like a good idea.
There are too many options on the motion graphics side, and I'll keep a static machine to run Pshop and AE CS4.
The masters of the universe will have theit way, and the rest must bow to their ambivalent greed. At least that's the way they think. It would seem that Adobe and Apple really, really want some upstarts to come up. Maybe $360 for a year to figure out an exit might work. It will be interesting to see if this hits earnings. VERY interesting.

I just upgraded to Photoshop cs6 so that my new camera (Nikon D7100) would work in Camera Raw. However, it will not download from the "Update" option in CS6.

I just upgraded to Photoshop cs6 so that my new camera (Nikon D7100) would work in Camera Raw (I was told that the Camera Raw update 8.3, which is available for CS6, included this camera). However, it will not download from the "Update" option in CS6. I have tried over 10 times - it just says update is not working. and I cannot find an alternate way of downloading this file. So I still can use my camera, even thought I paid to upgrade. HELP please.

What OS do you have? You say you have explained what you had (computer/opsys) but I honestly don't see it here. If you had mentioned that my advice would have been different; I believe you can only upgrade as far as Camera Raw 8.3 on an older Windows system. There is more information here (look specifically for the "Revert to 8.3 ..." titles).
Adobe Camera Raw Help | Camera Raw/DNG Converter 8.4 on Mac OS 10.6, Windows XP, and Vista
What you've done/written in your last post confuses things further, unfortunately. Photoshop 13.1 is strictly a Creative Cloud version. The highest you can go is Photoshop CS6 13.0.1.3 with perpetual license.
And as far as I can recall, that version can work on Windows back to XP:
System requirements | Photoshop
I don't think you're out of luck, but you seem to be leaping into doing things without having the full story, and are jumping to conclusions a bit too quickly.
Here's what I suggest you try:
1. Remove Photoshop entirely with the Creative Suite Removal Tool:
Use the CC Cleaner Tool to solve installation problems | CC, CS3-CS6
2. Install Photoshop CS6 from your original media or from here:
Download CS6 products
3. Update the application using its own Help - Updates process. That really should get you the latest Camera Raw version that will work. If that does not bring you a Camera Raw that works with your Nikon, use the "Revert to 8.3" instructions above.
-Noel

Is the only way to upgrade PS from CS6 to CC is to buy creative cloud?

Can you no longer purchase the CC upgrade outright for photoshop? Is the only way now to get creative cloud and pay monthly?

CC has never been available for outright purchase. CS6 was the last one offered on that model. Going forward, all future releases will be offered only to Creative Cloud members.
Creative Cloud pricing and membership plans | Adobe Creative Cloud
Nancy O.

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