UPGRADING TO EITHER TIGER OR LEOPARD FROM PANTHER 10.3.9

Dear gentleman
i have  doubt and i would like to have  your experienced point of  view><
if i upgrade from my PANTHER 10.3.9 to either Tiger or Leopard><
will i have same background failures i am having ><
or the new
upgrade os ( tiger / leopard)  software will give me a new healthy sistem , clean from all the recent Kernel Panic iam having since more then a week!!!??????????????????
i have been reading that a  clean installation of the same OS IT IS BETTER THEN A NEW UPGRADING ,
because the clean installation it will let out all the failures and so nothing of the >old troubles ( kernel panics and so others broken files and so on ) would be present effect my pc in that case!
is that truth????????????
what  you think ??????????
sincerely regards
wish a good week to all of  you
gio
Message was edited by: exposure1

gio,
If you PowerBook G4 meets the Tiger System Requirements, or the Leopard System Requirements, and your Hard Drive is not failing, then you can perform an Erase & Install of either system.
That should make your Mac operating system, once again stable.
But if the Kernel Panics are being caused by incompatible peripherals, Hardware, or Third-Party applications or programs, once you reintroduce those items, you will once again have Kernel Panics.
If you do an Erase & Install of your original operating system, or Panther 10.3.x, the same would be true.
Member cornelius, has posted a guide to Erase & Install here Formatting, Partitioning Zeroing a Hard Disk Drive, authored by cornelius
Your Other Topics regarding this issue:
CRASH EVERYDAY ON MY POWERBOOK G4 WHAT IS GOING ON?
need infos
need YOUR ADVICE
Crash Report here another WINDOWSERVER.CRASH ( REPORT
ali b

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Karen Pierson wrote:
Hello all! I want to upgrade my iBook OS 10.3.9 to either Tiger or Leopard (I have install disks for both) and have a few questions.
1-I have read of many install problems with Leopard, should I upgrade to Tiger instead for ease?
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After upgrading, run them again.
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