Uprezzing SD to HD, make output upper field dominant?

Ok, so I'm uprezzing a SD short film originally shot on DV, interlaced, to HD for a film festival. After the uprez, the resulting file will go onto an HDCAM tape for broadcast at the fest. I want to keep the interlacing as the crappy video look is part of the story.
So, that being said, I hear all HD is upper field dominant, while my clip settings and and sequence in FCP for the original SD movie are lower field dominant. In compressor, do I want to change the settings so the output file is upper field dominant since it will be HD, or leave it as is to match the source material (lower field)? Furthermore, there are two places to set field dominance in compressor, one under the encoder tab, after pressing the "video settings" button (if interlaced is checked), and another under the frame controls tab. Do I set both to upper/lower field dominance, or is one telling it what the source footage looks like and the other is for the output file? Thanks.

OK, here you are,
Original footage :
Original Footage Interpretation:
Render Settings :
Output Module Settings :
Format Options :
Re-imported Footage :
Interpretation of re-imported footage :
The End and Thanks~~

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Upon outputting my HD footage to SD DVD it looks rather crummy, and there is a green horizontal line on the top and bottom of the screen. Is this why?
Because 1080 isn't a multiple of 480 (NTSC) or 576 (PAL) lines. You have a remnant of a line left over with incomplete information. What's the intended delivery method? You certainly won't see those lines on a TV set.
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I did a shoot in SD and edited it as such of course. The thing is when I was done, all of my slow motion looked echoy (a plague of mine if you're not familiar with my posts) and generally looked a bit lower quality then even SD usually gives. So I freaked out (finally) and found a guy on line that suggested changing the field dominance to Upper and to make sure that I have my Video Processing set to "Fastest Linear". Now this was a guy that has had this posted for a couple of years, so it wasn't like he actually told me this directly.
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hi all
i have this problem with premiere pro cs5, when i try to export the sequence (made in upper dominance field), i can do it in avi dv pal but i cannot cange the fieldtipe chosing upper, by default premiere choses lower.
in cs4 i can chose wich field use in interlaced mode, here the menu for change that options is locked, i have the same problem if i try to export in quicktime mov dv pal, cannot change the field dominace, a im forget something?
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Sorry, I haven't had time to read your post carefully as I am dashing out, but I came across the problem over 2 years ago.
Here are some notes I jotted down at the time, mainly with reference to using iDVD as the problem more or less disappeared when encoding with Compressor.
+1. Edit your HDV/AIC in the timeline. Then create a new DV-PAL (NTSC) Anamorphic sequence. Copy your edited HDV/AIC to the new sequence. Do not alter anything. Render the sequence ..... this will take a long time - up to twice the length of the project. Then File>Export>QuickTime Movie (Not Self-contained).+
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having changed the project setttings in livetype to comply to pal video with lower field dominance so that i can use it in my dv-based projects, i've tried both to open the livetype project directly into final cut pro and also to render the movie in livetype and import that into final cut pro.
in both cases, fcp sets field dominace to upper field.
on the cinema display lcd screen that doesn't seem to make any difference, but surprises lurke when outputting to dvd ....
in an attempt to bypass the problem i've changed project settings to 'none' and rendered the movie again.
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DV is lower field dominant be it PAL or NTSC, and uncompressed is upper field dominant.
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