USB and Mega 180 Temperature

Well, after 5 months I think I finally have my Mega 180 working.
One thing still bothers me, though. I have an external USB hard drive and everytime I connect it to the Mega 180 system the CPU temperature raises about 15 degrees, from 45C to 60C.
Do you have any ideas why this happens or what can I do to avoid this problem?
Thanks in advance, Ricardo

I've been working feverishly on my Mega 180 for the last month. I also have noticed a rise in temperature when plugging in any USB device. I have not seen alnything like 15c ... for me it has been more like 4-5c.
I was having typical temperaturs of 75c while timeshifting HDTV with a USB attached turner. However a week ago I took my machine apart and did all the things in this forum to reduce termps. I used arctic silver, lapped the heatsink, reversed the fans, and removed the extra sheetmetal. This dropped my temps over 20 degrees. And now the delta for using USB is only 2c.
So I can now do the timeshifting bit at 52c.... and therefore I'm no longer worried about the USB tempertature increase.

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My systems keep restarting in Windows when I change the FSB clock speed to 166 in the BIOS... I have an Athlon XP Barton 3000+ 333 FSB and a Mega 180 computer with 512 MB ram. I suspect the CPU is not getting enough voltage supplied to it, necessitated by the increased clock speed; however, there is no option in the BIOS to adjust the CPU voltage. I know some other users are using the 3000+ but does anyone know how to solve this issue? In the meantime I've had to bump the clock speed down to 100 Mhz, leaving me with an underclocked 3000+ running at a mere 1.3 ghz :( No bueno, amigo!
This shouldn't even be an issue because the motherboard states support for the 3000+ but it is causing my frustration to no end... any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks everyone...
P.S. I have Windows XP Pro, SP1, latest nForce drivers, temperature is running around 55º C, and I even closed the MSI hardware monitor to make sure it wasn't giving false diagnostics, but the system still restarts .. I've reinstalled windows multiple times, still happening.. it has to be a hardware issue.

He didn't say directly; however, he did allude to the fact that a lot of instability issues were caused by the ram settings in the bios. I would venture to guess the auto detect function for the ram in the bios works with the supported ram manufacturers, but my ram is made by SpecTek... had to go on their site and get the values from a pdf... and then the values are in nanoseconds instead of clock cycles like the bios requires so I'll have to convert those values somehow... what I did do was play around with the values and bump the delay from 2.5 to 3 and that seemed to fix the stability issue... this helps in the meantime before I figure out the exact value for each ram setting in the bios.. at least it doesn't restart anymore!

Mega 180 Temperature

Hi all,
Here are my settings:
Box - Mega 180
CPU - Barton 2500+
Memory - 2x256 - 400Mhz from Phoenix Technologies
Disk - 120 Gigs HD - Seagate Ultraquiet
DVD Rom - Leadtek Silent
PVR PCI Card - PVR 350 from Hauppage
BIOS - 3.2
My concern now is temperature. Ok I have all slots occupied with an FX5200 and a PVR 250 card. Both blocking some airflow in to the CPU Vans.
These are the temps I get:
* Anything between 50 and 60 on idle
* Anything between 58 and 65 on medium stress
* Anything betwen 62 and 74 on heavy load.
I don't know if I should worry about this. I know they are quite high but as long the system works and I'm not incurring the risk of damaging the PC is fine for me.
So tell me, should I worry or should I not?
Nuno

Hmm
I got it to a idle temperature of 38 degrees (In PCALERT4) and a top of 52/55 degrees.
What i did is cutting all the tie-wraps off the ATX Mainboard powerconnector, and leaded them Under the PSU. I have a Sparkle Geforce FX5200 (which is a small card anyway, and uses no fan to cool the GPU), and i leaded the Powercables in front of the Graphics card (when looking at the side of the MEGA 180). i didn't wrap them up again, but left them loose (because i guess they can absorb Heat when bundled together, and letting them loose won't give a pressure to anything).
Next to this i wrapped the rest of the cables to the top bar of the case, so i had the space above the AGP-card Wide open...
i also checked the airflow of the CPU-Coolers on the heatsink, got them both blowing to the right of the MEGA case (the side on which the small cooler is).
On my heatsink they were blowing opposite directions when i first unpacked it, but that could be a tiny mistake made at MSI, this didn't affect much when you used the onboard VGA. I changed the flow-direction to both to the right after i installed the AGP-card.
Something i HAVE to mention is that the harddisk can generate a LOT of heat... Haven't done much on that part in my machine, but i'm planning to drill a few vent-holes on the bracket in which the harddisk is screwed, and place one or two Fan(s) just right under it blowing away from the harddisk to the outside.
Another option i have is to use a 2.5 inch (notebook) Harddisk instead of a 3.5 inch. it's a bit slower than a normal harddisk, but generates less heat and consumes less power.
Anyway... The Quest for a cooler MEGA 180 continues......
Greetingz,
Shadowguy

PVR150MCE and Mega 180

After installing my PVR 150MCE capture card and installed MCE 2005 I ran into a little problem. When watching live-tv i only get crystal clear sound but no video. There is a signal because sometimes the video just distorts through it.
The card itself isn't malfunctioning because when i tested it in my normal working machine (also Nforce 2) with the same HD and the videocard, and i got a good clear video.
Could it have anything to do with distortion coming within from the mega pc?
I haven't tried hooking the mega pc up to grounded socket, but maybe you have suggestions.

yeah i noticed that had been discussed, i set both of them to 128MB and it still happened, then changed the frame size (i think) to 256MB and still to no effect. Is it because I am using a mouse and keyboard (remote in the post!)?

MCE05 and Mega 180

Has anyone experienced the loss of buttons (display not function) on the media center program after about 5minutes of use. If I access any of the features like My Music and play or delete files some of the files become blacked out but can still be used. Is this a graphics problem or a software problem (will post this on MCE forum as well to find out)?
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yeah i noticed that had been discussed, i set both of them to 128MB and it still happened, then changed the frame size (i think) to 256MB and still to no effect. Is it because I am using a mouse and keyboard (remote in the post!)?

Mega 180 AGP and dead...

Hi all,
just checking to see if someone has any clues what's up with my machine. I bought an ATI x800 PRO last night, and put it in my Mega 180. All of last night I was playing far cry just fine with "high" settings. The temperature went up to around 75, but seemed to be ok, no problems. I went happily to bed.
This afternoon I decided to play at "very high" settings. After a while I got system message saying that the CPU was too hot and the machine was going to shut down. Getting this message stopped far cry and moved me back to the desktop. I saw that the temperature was already falling, so I didn't bother shutting down, just let it cool off for a while. I then tried running far cry on high settings - like I did the night before - and again I got the heat warning. I searched the web for reasons, somewhere someone suggested updating the bios. I did using live update, no difference.
So now I went to the BIOS and checked if I could somehow set the fan to always be on max, if nothing else this should make the system heat up slower. Didn't find anything like it. I found a setting for USB-keyboard though, activated this.
At this point I realized I wouldn't be able to use my Mega180 with the card, so I took it out.
From then on I have been unable to get even to POST. When I turn the machine on the fans start going, the harddrive and cd-rom makes some spin-up noises but nothing happens on the screen. The screen doesn't even realize that it's on.
I have tried removing everything except the processor. I have tried reinserting the AGP card. I have tried with and without memory, harddrive, cdrom ... all with the same result, that is, nothing happens.
Tried resetting the CMOS both through the JBAT1 jumper and removing the battery.
Any ideas? I suspect something got messed up with the BIOS when I changed it, but if so, shouldn't resetting the CMOS fix it?
Most of all, does anyone have any ideas for more things I could try? Has anyone else seen anything like this? Could it have anything to do with the "hot" warnings? (Although I would guess not, those message should show up a while before it gets too hot... )
Thanks,
Mattis

do you get display with the agp card in?
when you removed the agp card, did you unplug the power cord?
i don't know how much of this is true, but this is from a supposed PC technician. when the power cord is connected, standby power is going through the motherboard (true). apparently if you remove an agp card while standby power is present, it sort of screws up the agp port (including onboard, as it is shared).
if you leave the pc unpowered (remove power lead) for about 12 hours, it should work again.
please let me know if this works or not, so I can tell my pc technician buddy he is full of (or not, as the case may be)

MSI Mega 180 USB 2.0 Problems?!?

I have the MSI Mega 180, I have enabled USB 1.1+2.0 in the bios and also have installed Windows XP SP1. In device manager, I see 'enhanced PCI to USB host'.
With all that being said my External HD refuses to be recognized as a Hi Speed Device. On another machine, the same external HD works with no problems at 2.0 speeds.
Does anyone have any clues as to what I need to do to get USB 2.0 speeds? I get Hi-speed device plugged into non-hi speed hub?!?!
any help would be schweet.

I believe the "Enhanced" indicates the USB 2.0 because that's what I have on other boards with USB 2.0 as well. Prior to XP SP1 and on Windows 2k SP3? my boards didn't have the "Enhanced" addition. Also, as I don't think I mentioned, prior to playing with the bios I had problems with the USB->Serial adapter. If I removed the USB-to-serial adapter, the system booted fine and I would replug it. After playing with the bios, this is no longer a problem and I leave it connected. The stall happened when I had the adapter in front or rear USB ports, so not a speed issue (hey, it's serial) but more a recognition issue I believe (my mouse is fine, and as mentioned above an external HDD was found fine...). Try the bios settings I mentioned as well as checking each line of each subcategory and check that all is well. Let us know if that solves it.

Logitech USB30 Headphones and Logitech WebCam Pro 4000 vs MSI Mega 180 Deluxe

Hi!
I just found some problems related to the radio software/driver on my MSI Mega 180 Deluxe. I have installed all the latest software / drivers from MSI (including the bios) and i am using Windows XP Pro with Service Pack 2 installed.
The problem is that when i connect my Logitech USB30 headphones to this computer, and try starting the Radio application from MSI, i get an error mesasage saying there is no audio driver installed. And there is no sound at all. The USB headset is working 100% in all softwares like Windows Media Player and other sound applications (not related to MSI). I sent a support request to MSI, and they told me that this problem was related to my headphones. I did not accept that answere, because it does not make sense.. my headphones works perfect with any other computer and with any other software.
Then i connected my Logitech WebCam Pro 4000 to this computer (incl. the drivers) and the very same thing happened..The radio application told me there is no sound driver availible and the Listen Music application crashed by it self. The control panel now shows that there is no driver installed.. but when disconnecting the WebCam and reboot, the driver is ok again.. and the same thing happens when connecting the WebCam again.
Does anyone else got this problem, and did you solve it? How?

I don't have MSI radio installed, never have. However, does MSI Radio provide tuner capabilities? The ability to get radio stations? If so, then perhaps whatever is providing the tuner capability is maintaining an IRQ that conflicts with the USB Headset and WebCam?
That's just a hypothesis. Typically, when you have a IRQ conflict, you won't lose the driver in your Device Manager. However, since everything in the Megas are USB driven, then there's a possibility that you would.

MEGA 180 USB Problem

Anyone else have this problem? I recently built a MEGA 180, installed WinXP home, SP1, all the drivers, etc. and the machine ran fine with no problems for a couple of weeks. However, one day when I booted up, my USB mouse no longer worked. In fact, none of my USB devices work. I realized that my front and rear USB ports are all dead. The devices (printer, scanner, mouse, keyboard) all still work in my other PC. Under Device Manager USB Controllers it does now say "Unknown Device". It says this even when I have no USB devices hooked up.
I've tried reinstalling the motherboard drivers, checking all the physical connections on the board, I've even reformatted the hard drive, reinstalled XP and all the drivers and I still have the same problem.
Is my USB bus burnt out? Is the motherboard defective? I've built over 20 computers and I've never had this problem before.
Any help or ideas will be apprecieated!

I just RMA'ed the MEGA 180 - $25 shipping UPS, YIKES!!! And that's not even their 3 day service.
My customer is very upset with me regarding this machine. I built it and tested it, like I do all my customer's machines. Then it started getting buggy, things started acting weird, I lost the USB bus, then it stopped booting all together. I've spent countless hours troubleshooting it, it just goes on and on. I usually build mid to full tower machines and always with ASUS boards and I've yet to ever have a problem. The things build fast, run rock solid, and never give me a problem.
However, this customer saw this machine on Tomshardware.com, fell in love with it, and just had to have it and against my better judgement, I agreed to build it. Now I'm deep in the hole on this thing. If you build PCs for a living, DO NOT BUILD YOUR CUSTOMER A MEGA 180!!!!!! You'll live to regret it. I"m thinking of just buying a new case and stuffing all her parts into it and calling it even.
However, if you don't mind beta testing something (at your expense) and you don't mind loading drivers, reloading drivers, erasing the drive and starting over again, trying to get things to work, getting things to work, have them stop working, etc then this machine is for you. Me, I think I would rather just hit my head with a hammer.

Mega 180 and Media Center III----looks perfect----is it??

I DON'T want to shell out $1000 for cheap HP/Compaq or whatever which includes Media Center Edition
But I DO like the look and features of Microsoft's Media Center Edition.
In the Manual for the MEGA 180-----Media Center III looks perfect for what I want.
Am thinking of a Mega 180 using onboard video, the MSI TV/Tuner Card, onboard SoundStorm---and a cheap Barton. I already have 2 x 512 of NVidia recommended PC2700 RAM for use with the onboard and almost all other parts----but by the time I'm done----I'd be shelling out around $400
The manual makes everything look good "on paper"----but I see from this forum their are "issues".
Did/does MSI support the 651 model well?? Bios updates----utility and driver updates??
This thing looks like a tremendous alternative to a Microsoft Media Center Edition overpriced machine. And I'm willing to do driver updates and Bios updates----heck, I love a challenge----I just don't like a product that lies about what it can really do.
Worth it----or should I pass.....
Thanks-----John

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Originally posted by johnrr6
Did you try the settings button in MC III that says "Enable Fullscreen"
That may not be it----it may just be a TV setting----but it's the only thing I can think if.
Good Luck,
John
I believe that function is only for viewing the videos from the preview window to fullscreen. I don't think it enables/disables "stretch mode" but i'll try that tonight.
if it works i'll post it here. if not ... well .... same thing i guess

Mega 180-----Media Center III and a Vid Card----Working???

I'm trying to narrow down what is causing Media Center III to crash intermittently on my Mega 180.
I think I have it narrowed down to the SoundStorm drivers conflicting with Media Center III
But I want to eliminate that it is a problem with the 18G "Crush" onboard video chipset. I am using the onboard only.
Anybody have a vid card in their AGP slot of the Mega 180 and use Media Center III??
Are you still getting crashes in Media Center III??
John

Finally I give up using the Media Center. I'm using now Girder with Nathans great plug in (see MSI Mega series girder plugin version 1.0 available ). The only disadvantage is that the fancy leds are not working.
Regards
Patrik

Mega 180 and MSI FX5200-TD128

Hi all and thanks in advance for any help.
I just bought MEGA 180 a some more things, here is my current config:
Box - Mega 180
CPU - Barton 2500+
Memory - 2x256 - 400Mhz from Phoenix Technologies
Disk - 120 Gigs HD - Seagate Ultraquiet
DVD Rom - Leadtek Silent
PVR PCI Card - PVR 350 from Hauppage
Everything works fine.
Now I have an MSI FX5200-TD128 Graphics Card and decided to try it out.
With some difficulty I managed to put it in but now .... the computer simply does not start .. well sort off.
Once I hit the power on button three things can happen:
* Computer starts but the display is not on, and eventually it locks.
* Computer starts with some gittery on the screen and it locks
* Computer starts, I hit the del key but I can't even get into the BIOS.
In either case the OS never boots.
My question is,
* Do I need to set something on the BIOS before I install the card such as, increase the AGP voltage or something like that?
* Can it be that my memory is just BAD for it?
* Can it be that my AGP slot is just BAD?
* Do I need to setup the BIOS prior to the operation?
* Is this just that my MSI card is too power hungry, which I think it strange as it is from MSI, its the latest model of its type?
Please help me, and again thanks in advance.
Nuno
PS: By the way, my BIOS is V3.30 downloaded two days ago from Live Update

Hi,
Managed to get it working. Here is what I did in case anyone has the same problem as mine.
1) Take a memory DIMM out, a let one just stay there. This will get you a memory total of 256 Mgs and your system will now boot.
2) Get to the BIOS settings.
3) Choose the option concerning DIMM's and performance (third option I think).
4) In the third option select Manual. This will allow you to set specific options for the memory.
5) Select Auto in the option concerning CPU / DIMM transfer rating.
6) Select High Performance in the 7th or 8th option concerning your DIMM settings.
7) Save the BIOS
8) Put the DIMM back in
9) Start your system and voila it works.
Best regards,
Nuno

Mega 180 and 9700 Pro: What kind of cooler can i fit on it?

Hi, i'm almosteady to order my MSI Mega 180. When i get it i want to put my 9700 pro into it, it's now working in a water cooled system, and i'm not really impressed with the Hercules cooler it came with. So what i'm asking is: what cooler can i fit on the 9700 pro and it will still fit in the Mega 180?
Some interesting options include:
Arctic VGA Silencer
Zalman ZM80C-HP VGA Heatpipe Cooler
ZM80A-HP
I'm thinking that the zalman's are to big for the case (but i'm not sure), i don't even know if the arctic is going to fit...
I don't want to overclock my system or videocard, so no excessive cooling is required.

Hi,
I'm not familiar with the dimensions of the 9700 Pro, but I think it is going to be a VERY tight fit. Be aware that you have limited space and you're probably going to (partly) block the exhaust from the CPU cooler. Last but not least, the power cables originate from the PSU on the same side as the AGP slot is located.
Perhaps you can read some of the reviews of the Mega 180 on the Net (search Google for "mega 180" and "review") and have a closer look at the pictures that are made from the internals.
Greetz,
JaDi.

MEGA 180 and Radeon 9800 Pro/XT

Haven't posted in a while, just wanted to spread a little good. Having a MEGA 180 is a little limiting with power supply and space issues etc but i've got a cracking setup working here :-)
I bought the MSI RX9800PRO TD128, despite a 300watt power supply warning for the card it works perfectly in the MEGA, but the good news doesn't stop there, the graphics chip is not a standard 9800PRO R350 core, for some reason it has the R360 core from the 9800XT, overclocking is a breeze with the ATI Tool. It comes default with a 378 core - 338 mem setting, I have saved a profile in ATI Tool with the XT settings of 412 core - 365 mem and they work a treat in UT, Q3, Tomb AOD and i've even stressed the card in 3DMark05 for quite some time and it just works, I dare say I could push it even higher but I'm happy getting XT performance for PRO money :-)
Overclocker New Zealand have even managed to get it up to an insane 479 core - 391.5 mem see http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/review.php?id=04vga00r9800promsi00000r9800pro0105
There is also another great thread all about this card at http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showindex.php?t=118366&highlight=rx9800
The ATI Tool is quite good, i've even created a profile for 2D that is underclocked for when I'm in windows so it keeps my system a little cooler with the XT settings set to kick in when I start up 3D, coupled with a Barton 2800+, 1Gb of PC2700 and the 120Gb Maxtor with 8Mb of cache and it is all just working well together, Win XP Pro with SP2 is rock solid, well it is for me anyway, :-)
Couple of things to know.
Win XP finds the RX as an XT, so no need to try and flash the bios, it isn't an XT PCB anyway, just an XT core.
As there is no heat sensor for the core ATIs Overdrive isn't available but you can get the ATI Tool from loads of places on the net, here is a link anyway http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/
happy at last :-)
J.

Dont know if this will help but I had the same problem awhile back with an Asus A7N8X deluxe that I built for a friend. Sometimes it would initiate the monitor and others it would not. This drove me nuts for about a week, I tried everything that I could think of. This is what I did to remedy the situation somewhat.
Go to the ATI website and download the catalyst removal software and also download the Catalyst 3.7 driver from there "older" drivers page.
Now boot into windows and remove the ATI drivers and control panel from add remove programs, DO NOT REBOOT!
Run the ATI driver removal tool.
Shut down the machine, REMOVE THE POWER CORD,clear cmos, set the jumper for CPU fsb to 100mhz (safemode) and REMOVE your ram. Boot the machine, you will get a series of beeps indicating that the memory is not installed. Shut the machine down, REMOVE THE POWER CORD, Put the memory back in, reset the CPU fsb jumper to its normal position, and clear Cmos again. (this series of actions also solved my no display issue on my Mega 180 using the onboard graphics).
Now boot into bios and set it up the way you want then boot into windows and when windows tells you that it has found new hardware do not let it automatically install anything (cancel it). Now run the 3.7 catalyst setup and follow the instructions.
I am not sure why this worked to solve the issue but it did for me on both my Mega and the above mentioned system. I think there may be some odd conflict with the Nforce chipset and the ATI drivers and or Card bios.
Why it worked on my Mega is a mystery, I am using the onboard graphics and would have the system turn on with fans working and all but would have no display out.

Mega 180 and PC Alert 4

Hello chaps,
Some time ago I posted a thread regarding my relatively new Mega 180 and it's annoying habit of shutting down then only restarting after a few hours unplugged from the mains. There were some helpful responses but unfortunately the problem was never resolved - it just meant I had to shutdown the PC more often.
However, recently the problem is getting worse. I have installed PC Alert 4, but I have no idea what the readings mean. There are four screens which appear to be showing voltages or something, all are in green except for the second one which is frequently red.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!
Any suggestions gratefully received.
Mega 180, 2.8 Ghz, 512 RAM, XP Pro

to determine if the PSU is the problem, remove the cover from your Mega and disconnect all the power connectors to the mega PSU. get a regular ATX PSU (with enough juice of course), sit it next to the mega, and connect the ATX PSU connectors to the Mega (drives, mobo etc). connect the power plug to the ATX PSU and boot up.
note that the LCD display won't function, and you won't get any sound either, but this is only while the mega PSU is not being used.
use your mega as normal, and see if the problem reoccurs. if you get the same problems, then you know its not the PSU. if it all behaves well, then you have to consider a replacement PSU
as i see it you have two choices: you can either scour ebay for a cheap faulty unit being sold for spares (but make sure the PSU is okay before buying!). or you could contact your nearest MSI office and see if they will sell you one
How to contact MSI.
if you're feeling adventurous, you could always check out some other posts here, where users have done away with the mega PSU altogether, and had a regular ATX type sat outside the case as an "external" PSU...

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