Use Noise Ninja in Aperture or Photoshop?

If I am going to edit an image in Photoshop (eg cloning some clutter out) and want to reduce noise, is it better to do this in Aperture with Noise Ninja and then edit with Photoshop or just send to Photoshop apply Noise Ninja and then make other edits?  Is this an option, does Aperture send the Noise Ninja edits across to Photoshop or are these lost?
I am moving to CS6 and will run 64 bit (and Noise Ninja for Mac is still 32 bit ... annoying).  Hence my interest in running NN in Aperture.
Of course if Aperture or Photoshop matched NN ...

Very good reasons  .
OP -- do you need to use an external editor for any other edits?  If so, then use PS as the base file for all external edits.  If not ... imho it's easier (and this ease if worth something) to just launch the external editor directly from Aperture.
So _if_ you are going to edit in PS, _and_ you are going to use NN, then call NN from PS.
Put generally, I suggest that you _always_ launch external editors from PS whenever you will be using more than one.  This aggregates the edits into layers (at least I think it does) saved as a single Aperture Master.  (Each calling of an external editor creates a new Master in Aperture.)
Aside: the handling of externally edited files in Aperture violates the "non-destructive workflow".  The implemention is, imho, immature.  I'm hoping for a robust solution in the next full release of Aperture.

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    from the picture code site ...
    +PictureCode today released a plug-in version of Noise Ninja for Apple's Aperture photo editing and management software. The plug-in allows Aperture users to employ best-of-breed noise reduction without leaving the Aperture workflow. The official release is available on the download page.+
    http://picturecode.com/news.htm#MacIntel
    http://picturecode.com/nn_aperture.htm

    with regard to your PS profiles, they will work here ...
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    you just need to create the folder and drop them in it ... then auto load will work ...

  • Noise Ninja Causing CS6 to Crash

    I have read a previous post regarding this issue, but it did not apply to my problem, so here goes.
    Attempting to run the Noise Ninja plug-in causes Photoshop to crash.
    I have tried to run Noise Ninja on several 16-bit CR2 as Smart Object files (opened from ACR) and a 16-bit TIFF as Smart Object file (opened from Photoshop) and each time after the 'Profiling Image' step completes and the Noise Ninja dialog box opens, Photoshop crashes. I have tried using both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the plug-in (in there respective versions of Photoshop) and the same thing happens.
    The Plug-ins have been installed properly using the manufacturer's installer.
    I have tried rebooting my computer.
    I have tried uninstalling/reinstalling Noise Ninja.
    I have tried uninstalling/reinstalling CS6.
    I haven't encountered any other issues.
    Noise Ninja still works fine in CS5.
    Windows
    Application Error Event Logs for the last crash:
    1.
    Fault bucket , type 0
    Event Name: APPCRASH
    Response: Not available
    Cab Id: 0
    Problem signature:
    P1: Photoshop.exe
    P2: 13.0.0.0
    P3: 4f551de1
    P4: KERNELBASE.dll
    P5: 6.1.7601.17651
    P6: 4e21213c
    P7: e06d7363
    P8: 000000000000cacd
    P9:
    P10:
    Attached files:
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    These files may be available here:
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    Analysis symbol:
    Rechecking for solution: 0
    Report Id: b07f32a1-7613-11e1-8ac2-bcaec5e326ae
    Report Status: 1
    2.
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    Faulting module name: KERNELBASE.dll, version: 6.1.7601.17651, time stamp: 0x4e21213c
    Exception code: 0xe06d7363
    Fault offset: 0x000000000000cacd
    Faulting process id: 0x12e4
    Faulting application start time: 0x01cd0a2068f96bcd
    Faulting application path: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CS6 (64 Bit)\Photoshop.exe
    Faulting module path: C:\Windows\system32\KERNELBASE.dll
    Report Id: b07f32a1-7613-11e1-8ac2-bcaec5e326ae
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    Plug-ins that failed to load: NONE
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    Installed TWAIN devices: NONE

    The root cause of this issue has been traced to an apparent bug in the public beta version of CS6.  Its been reported to Adobe and they are looking at it.    There were no issues with CS6 m.122 and this problem started with the public beta release (m.415).     Noise Ninja should not be crashing Photoshop because of this problem however.  It should merely report an error processing the image.    PictureCode will release an update very soon.  The update will fix the crash of CS6 and I expect it to have a workaround for the CS6 problem as well.

  • Noise Ninja Problem when downloading images from Epson P-3000 hard drive

    I've just downloaded JPEG images from my Epson P-3000 hard drive and when I try to sharpen the images using Noise Ninja plug-in in Aperture I get the following error message: Editing Error. This image cannot be rendered for editing because Aperture does not support the image format. I don't have any issues using Noise Ninja with other images (using latest Aperture version) and this is the first time i've downloaded images from the Epson rather than my memory card. I'm wondering if the issue is related to the Epson. The metadata of the image in Aperture confirms that the image is a JPEG so I'm not sure what's going on.

    I've just downloaded JPEG images from my Epson P-3000 hard drive and when I try to sharpen the images using Noise Ninja plug-in in Aperture I get the following error message: Editing Error. This image cannot be rendered for editing because Aperture does not support the image format. I don't have any issues using Noise Ninja with other images (using latest Aperture version) and this is the first time i've downloaded images from the Epson rather than my memory card. I'm wondering if the issue is related to the Epson. The metadata of the image in Aperture confirms that the image is a JPEG so I'm not sure what's going on.

  • Noise Ninja Workflow

    I tried to initiate this topic of discussion in the NN online forum, but participation seems light there.
    The NN FAQ states the following: "It is usually best to apply noise reduction as early as is practical in the workflow. Post-processing adjustments like sharpening, contrast stretching, and color balancing can alter pixel values and noise levels in unpredictable ways. Depending on the amount of adjustment, this can make it more difficult for Noise Ninja to estimate noise levels. Sharpening, for instance, is a nonlinear operation that can significantly distort the distribution of noise values.
    If your workflow requires that you use Noise Ninja after some other operations, then try to create noise profiles using calibration images that have been put through the same operations.
    Running Noise Ninja early in the workflow is a good rule of thumb, but Noise Ninja can be applied at any time. Sometimes it may not be possible or practical to run Noise Ninja at an earlier point in the workflow. For example, most users are not using a RAW processor with plug-in support so they run Noise Ninja after the RAW processing step."
    Although it seemed less than obvious in this statement that RAW processing must be completed before editing with the NN plugin, but this would appear to be the case, since the plugin is not using RAW file, and the file returned is no longer subject to the normal edit controls used for RAW images?
    But when now going back over many existing projects and images to enhance via NN, the question is really to the difference between applying NN to the existing Versions, versus trying to back up to a point prior to adjustments having been applied that are not dependent upon RAW processing?
    What are the Pros and Cons of what was stated above: "using a RAW processor with plug-in support so they run Noise Ninja after the RAW processing step" insofar as processing new images?
    Ernie

    Ernie Stamper wrote:
    The NN FAQ states the following: "It is usually best to apply noise reduction as early as is practical in the workflow...Sometimes it may not be possible or practical to run Noise Ninja at an earlier point in the workflow. For example, most users are not using a RAW processor with plug-in support so they run Noise Ninja after the RAW processing step."
    Well, since NN does not have its own raw converter, it has to work with tif, jpeg files. Which means that raw file was converted somewhere. My guess is that many are converted to tif or jpeg in the camera; hence, the profiles are available for various camera models and ISO settings.
    Since each raw converter translate sensor data differently, how it handles noise is also subject to different algorithms.
    Although it seemed less than obvious in this statement that RAW processing must be completed before editing with the NN plugin, but this would appear to be the case, since the plugin is not using RAW file, and the file returned is no longer subject to the normal edit controls used for RAW images?
    The stand alone NN app does not read raw files. Just more options than the plug in. Once tif file is returned to Aperture environment, all the adjustments are available, except ones that has to do with raw conversion.
    But when now going back over many existing projects and images to enhance via NN, the question is really to the difference between applying NN to the existing Versions, versus trying to back up to a point prior to adjustments having been applied that are not dependent upon RAW processing?
    Why not just create new version from master, adjust white balance, then use NN. The plug-in tif file is also non-destructive and can apply all the Aperture controls.
    What are the Pros and Cons of what was stated above: "using a RAW processor with plug-in support so they run Noise Ninja after the RAW processing step" insofar as processing new images?
    In most simplistic terms:
    Pro: less noise in high iso images
    Con: large tif files, leads to less details in the image
    There is a tradeoff between retaining all the sharpness that you'd like versus getting rid of noise that degrade the image quality - it is a personal choice.

  • CS5 incredibly slow; Noise Ninja unrecognized by program

    Cannot get CS5 to recognize NoiseNinja.  Snow Leopard 10.6.3.  Latest everything.  Reparied permissions, reinstalled Photoshop, reinstalled NoiseNinja, nada.
    It's also taking CS5 up to 3 minutes to open and close tiff files around 500 MB in size.  Something is rotten, I can't figure it out, and HELP!  PLEASE!

    Adobe- do you keep a list of CS5 compatible filters?
    found this:
    This may help Mac users.
    Noise Ninja is compatible with Photoshop CS5.
    On Windows computers, the Noise Ninja plug-in is compatible with 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Photoshop, including CS5.
    However, on Mac computers, the plug-in currently works only with 32-bit versions of Photoshop. We are working hard on a 64-bit Mac solution, but we haven't set a release date yet. We hope to make more information available soon.
    To use Noise Ninja in CS5 on the Mac, you should select to run CS5 in 32 bit mode. To do this, bring up Finder and choose "More info..." on Adobe Photoshop CS5.app. Then check the "Open in 32 Bit Mode" option. Then all of your 32 bit plug-ins will work with it.
    Kind regards,
    Bill
    PictureCode
    this filter is pure magic!

  • Noise reduction in Aperture

    Does anyone successfully use the Aperture Noise Reduction tool, or are you all using third party apps?
    Paul

    I use it for moderate noise, but for shots at a very high ISO (1600), I use Noise Ninja. There is a Noise Ninja plug in on the way for Aperture, which will be most welcome.

  • Noise Ninja crashes my PS CS6 (64 bit PC)

    Noise Ninja crashes my PS CS6. What'e even worse is PS CS6 can NOT be restarted without restarting the computer first! As the noise filter in PS CS6 works really poorly, does anybody have a suggestion for software that works? I use the 64 bit version. No other problems - so far.

    steve963 wrote:
    Way faster than NoiseNinja? What is way faster than 1 second? In any case, noise reduction in PS CS6 still sucks - BUT, in ACR it works VERY well. The secret is to KEEP your raw files.
    Steve I was talking about ACR, which is why it is faster, because it saves an operation.  It is also a while since I used Noise Ninja because I have Topaz deNoise as part of their Bundle package, and while it is OK, it takes several seconds to do it's thing.
    But if I was batching a large job, I would use Bridge and ACR, and sync as many images as I could reasonably get away with for the sake of speed.  I just can't get on with Lightroom.
    I can't imagine why anyone would delete their RAW files after processing them.  Several people, including Noel IIRC, have spoken about going back to old RAW files with ACR7, and getting noticably more out of them.
    I know HDDs are still at a premium, but they are still afordable.  I have 10Tb over 11 drives. That includes four WD USB3 My Book externals, but they are very nearly as fast as my (non raid) internals, and perfectly usable.

  • LR and Noise Ninja - Workflow suggestions??

    Has anyone figured out a good workflow for this setup? I have a couple
    hundred raw images that need NN processing. I would love to be able to
    figure out a way to automate this.
    Thanks in advance

    Personally, when I do batches of that size I don't need the NR to be perfect -- just better. I've been doing that using Noise Ninja in Bibble. I export from LR to hi res jpegs in a certain folder and then have LR open Bibble for all those images. I then use a hot-key'd batch that applies only NN and sharpening to all the images and then copies them to a separate folder. It's not real aggressive NR but it's a low effort routine that makes a big improvement. If a few key images warrant more attention, I do it more custom than that. If doing the NR on a jpeg is sufficient for you, you could set up something similar using PS or Elements but, for me, it doesn't pay to go the TIFF or PSD route on most of my images.
    Frank

  • Aperture 3 and Noise Ninja

    Has anyone heard when Noise Ninja will be updated to run Aperture 3? Right now, Aperture 3 is instructing that I run Aperture in 32-bit mode rather than 64 in order to use this plug-in but that doesn't seem to be working.

    This past Wednesday (17th), I had an email exchange with a support person from PictureCode. He reported that:
    "We will make a 64 bit Aperture 3 plug-in available once we've had time to test the plug-in and installation process. The plug-in is already running. We just have to finish testing and update the web site. I do not anticipate this taking more than a week.
    We will provide this release as soon as we can."
    So soon, I suppose
    Gordon

  • Noise Ninja 64-bit Plugin for Aperture 3

    For those of you who rely on Noise Ninja, I figured the community would be interested in the news that they have finished their 64 plug-in for Aperture 3 and are in the final testing phase before release.
    I wrote them yesterday, and got the following response:
    Hi Kevin,
    We will make a 64 bit Aperture 3 plug-in available once we've had time to test the plug-in and installation process. The plug-in is already running. We just have to finish testing and update the web site. I do not anticipate this taking more than a week.
    We will provide this release as soon as we can.
    I will send you an email as soon as we have our release ready.
    Kind regards,
    Bill
    PictureCode
    I have been using their application since 2004, and in Aperture since Apple introduced the plugin structure wit Version 2. IMHO, Noise Ninja is best-in-class, and great folks to deal with.
    http://www.picturecode.com/index.htm
    Sincerely,
    K. J. Doyle

    Yes! Got my email notice this afternoon -- it works!
    Ernie

  • Noise Ninja plugin just released for Aperture

    http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/aperture/noiseninja.html
    Any chance this will happen for Lightroom in the near future?

    Unfortunately Lee_Jay that is at best a hack job and not even close to what
    Adobe said they would do. They need to get off the pot with this and get it
    done. Otherwise they need to be willing to add a considerable number of
    features to LR including Noise Ninja like noise reduction, book printing,
    better slideshow options, better web gallery options and so on.
    I can understand if Adobe doesn't want to do it, but they do need to allow
    third parties to do it. Without this Lightroom is only 1/4 the program it
    could be. Photoshop without the plug-in support wouldn't be as popular as it
    is without it.
    You may not agree and that is fine, however the customer is always right and
    many of this need and demand this.

  • Aperture + noise ninja?

    I'm shooting RAW with an S2-PRO and am experiencing a lot of noise in the shadows, including annoying linear patterns. I tried my best to eliminate it with aperture's noise tools with no success. Finally resorted to a round trip to photoshop and noise ninja more or less fixed the problem. My question is, will aperture support noise ninja as a plug-in someday? Duplicating masters with round trips seems crazy with the excellent file management that aperture has. Please consider it aperture? Thanks. Yes, this is my first post!

    I'm shooting RAW with an S2-PRO and am experiencing a
    lot of noise in the shadows, including annoying
    linear patterns. I tried my best to eliminate it
    with aperture's noise tools with no success. Finally
    resorted to a round trip to photoshop and noise ninja
    more or less fixed the problem. My question is, will
    aperture support noise ninja as a plug-in someday?
    Duplicating masters with round trips seems crazy
    with the excellent file management that aperture
    has. Please consider it aperture? Thanks. Yes,
    this is my first post!
    I hope so. Aperture NR works well for most of my images, but recently I had to resort to what you described. Noise Ninja saved the day. Any time I don't have to store a full Photoshop image I'm grateful.

  • Noise Ninja Crashes Photoshop CS6

    I copied the Noise Ninja Plug In from CS5.1 to CS6 but when I try to use it, CS6 crashes.
    Any suggestions/ideas.

    Try reinstalling as Pierre suggests. If you manually just pulled the plug-in and dumped it in the plug-ins folder, you may have missed a resource file or messed with the Plug-in DRM.
    Also, please submit all crash reports with your information and some details if you haven't already:
    FAQ: Please submit all crash reports using Adobe Crash Reporter (Mac)

  • How can I swap or cut & paste a head from one photo into another for a holiday photo using aperture or photoshop?

    I've got an almost perfect family photo that I need to swap one face in as my son was not looking at the camera and I can't redo the shoot.  Anyone know how to take a headshot from one pic and swap it into another using Aperture or Photoshop?  Thanks!

    select the head with one of Photoshop's selection tools
    When doing this, I find it quite helpful to create an intermediate image with a transparent background that contains only the head to be pasted into the second image. First I paste the head onto this transparent background, scale it, rotate it or skew it to make it fit into the other image, adjust the lighting, then select it.
    To be able to paste the head seemlessly into the second image (and without aliasing effects), I make the border of the selection soft (⌥⌘D); my Photoshop has a german interface, so I am not sure about the english localization, this command must be something like "selection -> modify selection -> soft border".
    I would not bother to get the lighting and color excactly right in Photoshop, that is  far easier with the "dodge" and "burn" brushes and color adjustments in Aperture.
    To do this completely in Aperture, you would have first to combine both images into one (for example by creating a book page), then use the retouche->clone tool to stamp the head from one image to the other. I use this occasionally to stamp a face into a flower bud or for  similar effects. However, for this to work you need a plain background and nearly circular shapes to be pasted.
    Léonie

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