Use of sidechains in ultrabeat

I confess some confusion after trying to use sidechains in Ultrabeat. Page 566 of Logic Studio Instruments and Effects (Logic 8) says: "Note: A side chain audio signal alone is not enough to trigger Ultrabeat’s processors. To hear the side chain audio signal Ultrabeat needs to be triggered by MIDI or its internal step sequencer."
I can't tell if I am doing something wrong, but when I set the sidechain as "input 1" (which is a midi piano) and populate it with midi signals, and then direct the Ultrabeat track (track 11) to use input 1 as the sidechain, I cannot tell any difference between that setup and no sidechain. Track 11 has Osc 1 set to side chain and its turned on.
What am I missing?

What am I missing?
The most obvious thing that comes to mind is that you've asked your question in the wrong forum.

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plugin has sidechain feature,
it can be-side chain in manys ways,
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Another way gould be,
to use certain sound-card, some of which, Drivers, can use as an insert, to groups/or channels, out and inside of L.P.
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http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=-RApWl2HgEU
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OlavB wrote:
Dear lord...
Need I shout?
So it seems. The cassandra effect...
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Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
I don't know why I bothered to sigh up at www.logicprohelp.com
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