Using 4xsata drives with MSI K8N NEO2

Hi to all
am planning on building a system in the next couple of weeks with the msi neo2 m/board but have heard a few rumours regarding the sata controllers. I plan to incorporate an opteron 146 and 2xballistic pc4000 as well as four sata drives but have heard that I should not use 2 of the sata connectors on the board (which ones?) if wish to overclock as my data could be corrupted (dont plan to RAID).
Could someone please confirm if this is in fact true and whether a BIOS update would remedy it or infact if their is any cure.
Cheers

Hi , yes unfortunately it's true !
Sata ports 3/4 is the fully nforce3 native chipset integrated (uses nvidia integrated PHY).
Use only theese if overclocking .
Satallink clock will be retained at 100mhz always .
Sata ports 1/2 are bridged from the nvidia chipset to an external marvell PHY .
Theese ones can not be used with HTT ref clock beyond ~230mhz +/- a few mhz without producing data corruption .
Satalink ref clock of 100mhz will scale upwards with increased HTT .
This issue applies to all nforce3 250GB/Ultra based motherboards with more than 2 sata ports regardless which vendor/make/model.
It's the chosen hw design that is the issue and no bios ever will fix it .
If you must have 4 sata drives , do like me and install a pci SIL sata controller card for the drives used for storage .
Take Abit NF8 (nf3) as an example .It has only 2 sata ports .
Why ?
Only the true/fully chipset integrated sata ports is used .
Although the nforce3 chipset supports a sata link to an external PHY for port 3 and upwards some has chosen to not utilize it .
Nforce 4 chipset has corrected this hw design by adding more sataport by the link to external phy .
In nf4 four ports are fully/true chipset integrated , and does not suffer from this overclock barrier .

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Using 4xsata drives with MSI K8N NEO2

Hi , yes unfortunately it's true !
Sata ports 3/4 is the fully nforce3 native chipset integrated (uses nvidia integrated PHY).
Use only theese if overclocking .
Satallink clock will be retained at 100mhz always .
Sata ports 1/2 are bridged from the nvidia chipset to an external marvell PHY .
Theese ones can not be used with HTT ref clock beyond ~230mhz +/- a few mhz without producing data corruption .
Satalink ref clock of 100mhz will scale upwards with increased HTT .
This issue applies to all nforce3 250GB/Ultra based motherboards with more than 2 sata ports regardless which vendor/make/model.
It's the chosen hw design that is the issue and no bios ever will fix it .
If you must have 4 sata drives , do like me and install a pci SIL sata controller card for the drives used for storage .
Take Abit NF8 (nf3) as an example .It has only 2 sata ports .
Why ?
Only the true/fully chipset integrated sata ports is used .
Although the nforce3 chipset supports a sata link to an external PHY for port 3 and upwards some has chosen to not utilize it .
Nforce 4 chipset has corrected this hw design by adding more sataport by the link to external phy .
In nf4 four ports are fully/true chipset integrated , and does not suffer from this overclock barrier .

Can I use this hard drive with my K8N Neo2 Plat?

Can I use this http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101220-12 hard drive with my K8N Neo2 Plat?

Quote from: Richard on 26-September-05, 00:25:21
JustinSane,
The short answer is:
Yes
Take Care,
Richard
LOL, thanks.

Reboot problem with MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum and 250 GB SATA HDD

I'm having a "reboot" problem with my MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum. After turning my system on it will run without any problems, until I reboot. After a reboot it will always hang after the initial windows-bootscreen. The HDD-light will remain on. If, instead of going into Windows XP SP2, I try to enter the BIOS after a reboot (DEL) the system will also hang (blank screen with blinking cursor).
It started doing this after I installed the Maxtor 250 GB SATA disk. Before, I didn't have problems rebooting. If I disconnect the Maxtor drive I can reboot and enter BIOS and Windows each and every time. Reconnecting the Maxtor 250 GB SATA drive will return the reboot problem. I always have to use the power swith to get a working system again. It's not enough to do a hard reset (this has the same effect as rebooting).
Here are the details of my system:
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (BIOS 1.B)
Athlon 64 3200+ (Winchester, 2 Ghz, 512 KB cache, stepping DH-D0)
2 x Kingston KVR400X64C25/512, 512 MB, DDR, PC3200 (2,5-3-3-8 T1)
Asus Radeon AX800 Pro (256 MB)
PSU Antec Sonata 380W
HDD Maxtor 80Gb ATA (6Y080P0, Pri Master)
HDD Seagate 250Gb SATA (ST3200822AS)
HDD Maxtor 250Gb SATA (6V250F0 - jumpered in SATA150 mode, the mobo wouldn't work with the drive in SATA300-mode)
Aopen COM5232/AAH Pro CD-Writer ATA (Sec Master)
BenQ DW1640 DVD-Writer ATA (Sec Slave)
P.S. The NVidia IDE-drivers are NOT installed. System is not overclocked.

Thank you for all the replies. Upgrading to the latest Nvidia IDE-drivers did not fix my problem. Moving to other SATA-ports did not help either. Upgrading the mobo's BIOS is not really an option (I'm using one version before the most recent and there isn't anything in the fixlist of the latest BIOS).
Now I've contacted Maxtor for (hopefully) a new firmware.
Quote from: rogueUK on 31-July-06, 16:55:42
insego please use the SEARCH BUTTON
I did use the search function to find other people with similar problems. The reason I started a topic of my own was because of the text you get while joining:
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Do not hijack another persons topic. If you have a similar problem, start your own thread anyway.
Maybe in retrospect I should first have tried the solutions in other topics.

PS2 mouse with MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum

Me and my uncle both have MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboards and both boards were bought from different places at different times. Both boards are exactly the same and both have the latest 1.4 BIOS.
We're both having the same problem with ps2 mice, I myself am not bothered about this problem but my uncle is so I need help.
Basically when you insert a ps2 mouse into the back of both our pcs, 7 times out of 10 the pc loads windows but the mouse doesnt move. The mouse is completely frozen. When you plug a usb mouse in, i can use that but still the ps2 mouse doesnt move.
When you plug in a ps2 keyboard along with the ps2 mouse, the mouse works everything time but without the ps2 keyboard in, most times the ps2 mouse doesnt work.
We both have no problems with usb devices but the ps2 mouse port (Green) isnt working all the time.
Having a quick look at this forum, i saw this thread.. PS/2 mouse not working exact same problem as me and my uncle.... is there a fix out now for this?
I use a usb mouse anyway and i know if my uncle switches to usb it will work but he shouldnt have to do this, if a board has ps2 support, it should work.

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Two choices. USB Mouse or RMA it
What does RMA it mean?
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The PS/2 ports on any computer can get blown if you plug a PS/2 device when the computer is powered.
I didnt know that, thanks for telling me, i know not to do this in the future.
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Other than that, check BIOS to see if PS/2 option is enabled!
If ps/2 wasnt enabled in the BIOS, the ps2 devices wouldnt work at all would they? My ps2 keyboard works fine, my uncles ps2 mouse doesnt work sometimes so ps2 must be enabled in the bios.
thanks for the replies, could this be fixed if MSI knew this problem and release a new bios?

Very serious issue with MSI K8N Neo2-FX: need urgent help!

Hi! I am facing the following problems:
1. 3D Mark 05 demo, COD2 single player and Half Life 2 become semi-frozen.
2. The audio loops, and audio & video go out of sync.
3.VPU Recover/Infinite loop issue DOES NOT kick in.
4. The semi frozen game responds poorly to mouse movement.
Note: All redundant processes and programs in Windows XP are closed. My system specs:
Athlon 64 3000+ E6
256 mb ddr333 kingston valueram + 256 mb ddr400 kingston valueram=512 mb ddr333 total memory running in dual channel mode @ 2.5-3-3-7 (RAM is OK, worked fine on my previous system)
MSI K8N Neo2-FX bios version 1.B0(latest) chipset: nforce 3 250gb http://www.msi.com.tw/program/produc...il.php?UID=649
gigabyte radeon 9600XT BIOS Part Number BK-ATI VER008.015.058.000 (Card stable at 1.6 V AGP, 1.5 V gave me VPU Recover; Card ran fine on my previous system)
Realtek ALC 850 onboard audio
Antec SL 450 450 watt PSU (new, voltages ok) latest drivers/bios/firmware for everything Windows XP Pro SP2 + all updates. Please help.

Quote from: Richard on 03-May-06, 08:40:18
bhanja_trinanjan,
If you can get 2.3.3.6 Mushkin, OCZ, or Corsair, then you would be the set.
PC-3200 or higher would be the way to go. If you ever plan on overclocking, then PC-4000 is the best option.
Take Care,
Richard
Thanks for your help. I am trying to locate Corsair dealers in Kolkata(My hometown). Are there any known issues with the K8N Neo 2 FX? I bought this motherboard just a few days back and I am facing so many problems.
Does this motherboard undervolt the AGP and RAM slots? Will I have to increase AGP and DDR voltage to make my system stable? Doesn't the raising of these voltages shorten the life of the video card and ram modules? I want to buy Corsair/OCZ/Mushkin. But in case it's unavailable, will Kingston RAM lead to an unstable system?

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum & Adata bh5

Is there anyone who knows if i will have compatibility problems if i use two 512mb Adata bh5 memory modules with MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum?

Quote from: duffyone on 31-March-05, 11:54:15
Now... don't LOL, but there is a reason I picked the 3200+ instead of the 3000+, but I can't remember why???
Probably because the 3000+ only has a 9x maximum multiplier, whereas the 3200+ will go to 10x.
2600MHz at 9x means a FSB of 289MHz and ram at 289MHz for best performance. Will your ram do 289MHz? Of course you *can* run your memory and fsb async, but I prefer not to.
Chip

Trouble with soundcard on msi k8n Neo2-fx

Hi!
I cant get my soundcard to work on my new motherboard. It is a m-audio audiophile delta 24/96 soundcard and the motherboard is a msi k8n Neo2-fx with a 3500+ processor. I have turned the internal soundcard off and also turned serial and com-ports off in bios to se if it was an irq problem, but it didnt help. It finds the soundcard, but when you have installed the driver, you get a code 10 "this device cannot start".
I know there is nothing wrong with the soundcard, it works perfectly on other computers I used.
I also tried to install another ethernet card, but that didnt work either. It didnt find the correct drivers for the device, although I know it is included in windows xp.
Is there something wrong with my pci-slots? Someone who has any tips?
/thanks in advance

There is a wide literature about the motherboards that best suits audio cards...
The M-audio cards seems to have a wide range of compitability but there are other issues that you should also concerne...
First, the IRQ conflicts.. try use other PCI slots and see what happens..
Most of the time in an ACPI pc the IRQ's of audio cards are messed with those of the display card...
Another problem has been reported when the display card is on PCI-E .....
I would try to unhook anything from the PCI's and switch from one to another 'till the problem is solved.. You may also need to download newer drivers from M-audio...
Good Luck and be Patient

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (WAKE On Lan with Realtek)?

Hello can the MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (BIOS 1.B) WAKE On Lan with the Realtek card?
It does not appear to work for me and there is nothing in the BIOS.
My WOL packets wake up other PC's.
Please Help.

Hello !
Go into Bios Setup, Integrated Periphals, and disable the nvidia Lan, but let the Onboard LAN enabled.
Now go to PCI Configuration, Wakeup Events, and enable wakeup on PCI event and wake on LAN.
Check in Boot Order Menu if you can select the realtek onboard Lan as first booting device, push it in first place.
Another Option could be using the nvidia Lan, its reported to work with wakeon lan.
Greetz

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum with Western Digital 750Gb Caviar Green 32mb

Hi all, this is my first post and im a bit of a numbskull when it comes to upgrading, thus this post.
My HDD is on its last legs and I want to get a Western Digital 750Gb Caviar Green 32mb. Im not sure weather it will work with my MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (MS-7025). Can anyone help me out? If you have any suggestions for a better HDD to go for that would also be appreciated, Cheers

Burst speeds are high mainly because of the disk's cache. That's the only part of the HDD that can get near the maximum bandwdth of the controller.
The bottleneck for speed is in the fact that the HDD's mechanical properties won't allow it to work faster. With SSD's it is or will be different.
Back to topic: the WD Green is an excellent choice. I've 6 of those running here now, 5 in a NAS and 1 in my pc and they're simply good. Not the fastest, but very stable, quiet and fast enough.

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[Athlon64] Msi K8N Neo2 Platinum problems with Patriot Ram

First post, whoo hooo
So what version of BIOS are u running? I recently installed the two newest versions 2.0 and 2.1, and they both give me problems. With the latest (2.1) I'm getting the same error as you. Returning back to previous BIOS fixed my problems. Oh yeah, my RAM is Kingston Hyper-X, so i don't think thats your problem.
Let me know if you fix it, thats why im here, .

MSI K8N Neo2 Plat. + Audigy2 woes

Hi.
I'm getting the dreaded Machine Check Exception(0000009c) on my rig and it seems no amount of tinkering can get this combo to play nicely, and as I know there are quite a few more of you with the same problem out there(and a lot who DON'T have this problem) I thought it could be interesting to find out a bit more about this.
My box:
A64 3500+(newcastle)
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
2x512Mb (Kingston HyperX PC3000...old stuff from my KT333-mobo)
Audigy 2 (SB0240)
HIS 9800Pro Ice-Q
+other stuff that doesn't affect the problem
Running WindowsXP SP2
I've tried diff bioses (1.2,1.3,1.4b1), I've tried tweaking the pci-latency of the audigy(raising from 32 in steps of 8 to 96) with powerstrip. Tried moving the card to all available pci-slots(the audigy is the ONLY pci-card in my rig, its just the audigy and my 9800 in its agp-slot).
Tried all different driver revs for the audigy, from the one on the included cd up to the latest. Tried changing that pci-clock setting in the bios(hidden setting), to no avail.
I've run memtest86+,windows memory diagnostics and prime95 as well as a few other diagnostic tools from the UBCD for hours on end without any problems whatsoever.(at first I was inclined to believe that the psu might have something to do with this, but I don't believe that anymore, the problem seems to happen to people no matter WHAT psu they use.)
Facts:
1. With the audigy2 in place my machine WILL freeze with the 0000009c-error sooner or later(might take hours, might happen in 5 minutes). It does however seem to be related to using the soundcard(just sitting in windows without using the soundcard for ANY sounds keeps the box alive a lot longer than playing BF1942 and using teamspeak)
2. When I remove the Audigy2 from my system and use the on-board sound the lock-ups stop, no more machine check exceptions.(this isn't a solution, its a workaround)
3. Some people have the same problem while other people seem to be able to use audigys in their machines.
My guess is that it might be related to what model/version of audigy one has, that earlier audigy/audigy2-cards wont work properly...
So, those of you that have the problem, what model/ver of audigy/audigy2 do you have?
Mine is a SB0240.(random 0000009C-errors)

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Originally posted by MonarchX
How do you know if its the SB0240 or SB0350?
Model number on the box or the white sticker on top of the card.
Same card here Audigy2 (SB0240).
I don't remember the error message I got but it was something about a conflict with the nVidia RAID controller. It was right after updating the Creative drivers so I immediatly removed ALL Creative startup programs and services with msconfig. No more problems. It runs great. There is the occassional rare "burp" through the speakers but its no problem.
In "msconfig" uncheck the following under the "Startup" tab.
CTCMSgo
CTDVDDet
CTHelper
CTsysVol
SBDrvDet
regsvr32 (no problem so far with unchecking this one. I noticed there's a copy of it in one of the Creative folders. regsvr32.exe is a command line program used to register and unregister object linking and embedding (OLE) controls such as dynamic-link library (DLL) or ActiveX Controls (OCX) files that are self-registerable. This may be necessary to troubleshoot some issues with Windows, Microsoft Internet Explorer, or other programs.
Attention the same filename is used by some spyware programs.)
In fact the only startups I've left running in msconfig are...
nvraidservice
NvCpl
zlclient (ZoneAlarm)
Next click the "Services" tab in msconfig - check "Hide All Microsoft Services" and uncheck "Creative Service for CD-Rom access".
I guess it should also be added that a couple of days ago my system became extremely sluggish and had difficulty starting up. There were a couple of BSOD's. Pressing on the back of the case near the PCI slots caused the lights to flicker. Uh-Oh! Apparently the Audigy2 card was a little loose in its slot. Reseating the card seems to have solved that problem.
Later, Conrad

System suddenly won't power on (MSI K8N NEO2 PLATINUM NFORCE3)

System specs are
COOLERMASTER TAC-T01 WAVE MASTER ALUMINUM ATX 4X5.25 1X3.5 4X3.5INT case
MSI K8N NEO2 PLATINUM NFORCE3 ULTRA S939 AGP 5PCI SATA 1394 SOUND 1000LAN
KINGSTON HYPERX 1024MB DUAL CHANNEL KIT PC3500 2X512MB DDR 433MHZ 184PIN
ATI Radeon X800XT PE AGP
SEAGATE BARRACUDA 7200.7 200GB SATA 8MB 7200RPM 8.5MS OEM
CREATIVE SOUND BLASTER AUDIGY 2 ZS 7.1 1394 PCI RETAIL BOX
LITEON 16X DVD-ROM INT E-IDE RETAIl
MITSUMI FA404A 7-IN-1 FLOPPY DRIVE & FLASH READER CF/SM/SD/MMC/MS
LG 4163b dvd burner
Nothing has ever been overclocked on this system.
Everything is plugged into a Belkin Surgemaster powerbar.
I haven't mentioned the power supply. I'll get to that. I have been using an ANTEC NEOPOWER 480W POWER SUPPLY (ATX12V DUAL 12V RAILS ACTIVE PFC W/ DETACHABLE OUTPUT CABLES) for about a year on this system without
any issues. One morning, I wake up, hit the power button on my coolermaster case, and nothing happens.
CPU fan won't even spin. Nothing happens.
O.k., blown power supply, I think . . . .
So I take out my Antec and put it in another system. That system turns on
without any problems.
Hmm . . .
I come here, and I read posts about
potential compatibility issues with Antec power supplies. But if it's a compatibility
issue why was my system working for about a year?
O.k., fine. I'll buy a Enermax 535W EG565P-VE FMA 24P (115/230 VAC) power supply.
I just plug it into the mainboard (nothing else). Hit the power button . . .
The CPU fan spins for half a second, and then nothing.
Did my motherboard just suddenly die for no reason?
Any suggestions?

Pull the AC plug from PSU and set cmos in clear position with battery removed for atlest 20 minutes perhaps longer .
Then try to post the system barebone .
Just cpu,1 pcs memory in slot 1 , gfx card , and keyboard in PS2.
No usb devices at all including card reader and no pci cards harddisks or cdoms/dvd/floppy.
It could also be caused by a short or a malfunctioning fan connected to mobo.
Try to disconnect all case fans from mobo headers if you have any connected to additional fan holders.
The chipset fan can also be disconnected momentarily just to see if it posts.
If none of this helps , replace cmos battery and try again .

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum slows down

Hi,
I have a little problem with my new K8N Neo2 Platinum. I installed Windows XP and the newest nForce drivers but if I copy files over LAN (tested both LAN-Ports) or install big applications my music played with winamp slows down. It's played with half speed. In addition to that my mouse pointer is very slow. After the setup or copying files everything is how it should be again. How can I solve this problem?
My system:
AMD Athlon64 3500+ (Winchester)
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum-54G (tried different bios releases)
1024MB Corsair XMS Twinx DDR500
ATi Radeon 9800 Pro
2 80GB Maxtor S-ATA (DMA Mode enabled)
Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! Player 5.1
MorLipf

Hello,
I copy files to my bro sometimes, 5Gb - all the steam GCF files for CS/HL/CSS/HL2.
My network usage is 80%-92%
My CPU usage is always under 15%.
It is worse when using 512Mb but as you have 1Gb it shouldn't be bad.
Check in the device manager, your cd drives should be set to DMA mode.

MSI K8N NEO2 Plantinum 54g, Fails to Boot.

It has only been problems.
HK: MSI K8N NEO2 Plantinum 54g
CPU: AMD64 3200 Winchester
PSU: CWT 350 W 12=16A , Chieftech 360W 12=18A.
RAM: Corsair PC3200 XL Pro, have been testing with other corsair and Kingmax.
I have been trouble shooting for about 14 Hours now. But the pc just dont want to work. The thing that happens is that i turn it on. Then it turns it self off randomly. Sometimes after 5 sec hen 20 sec then 15 sec ect ect. I cant even get into Bios. Well have been into it for about 1 sec , doesnt help much.
I could think it is the ram but it works in other computers so does the powers. But if I use the Xl Pro Ram then the screen is showing and it lasts never more than 20 sec. With other Ram it goes forever but i get no picture on monitor. And the speacker goes like Beeeeep, Beeeep Beeeeeep, Beeeeeep Beeeeeep. I have Flashed the bios to the 1.3 version, with Hotswap. But it didnt help much.
And by the way the Zalman CNPS7000BCU its metall backplate does not damage the HK because the hole under is to Big.

Hi !
Well, I have that problem, too. I think the reason is a new RAID-BIOS-Version built in the BIOS-Update. I´ve tried the beta-versions V1.51 and V1.5X, too - but they won´t run anyway.
My WinXp hangs while booting (before the WINDOWS-XP-Logo appears, or while fading in...). I cannot reinstall Windows completely because, when I install the 2 raid-drivers, the installation routine hangs before the licensetext - when I don´t install the drivers i cannont install on the raid-drive (beacuase the installation routine shows 2 hdds).
I think, a new driver will solve this problem, but I don´t know where to find it....
A.

Using 4xsata drives with MSI K8N NEO2

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