Using Adobe Camera Raw as External Editor

I've recently purchased Aperture 2.1 and am very pleased with everything thus far. I capture the majority of my photos in the RAW format (Nikon NEF specifically), and the one thing I'm trying to work out is this - with iPhoto I am able to choose Adobe Photoshop as my 'External Editor,' and when opening an image for adjustments, iPhoto sends the the picture in its native format. Consequently, RAW formatted images open with the Adobe Camera RAW plug-in, jpegs right into Photoshop and so on. With Aperture I notice that I am still able to select Photoshop as my 'External Editor,' but instead of sending the native format, Aperture allows only the 'temporary' format options of TIFF and PSD (8 and 16-bit). Needless to say, the files open directly into Photoshop -instead of the Camera RAW plug-in that I would prefer for my RAW files. Does anyone know of any work-arounds or possible solutions to this issue?

iPhoto has no RAW conversion controls, but just makes a copy of the file for iPhoto edits.
When you choose to edit it in photoshop, it sends the original over to Adobe Camera RAW. This is NOT a non-destructive workflow.
Aperture has its own RAW converter- a quite good one- so the need for ACR is removed, and the workflow IS non-destructive. You should only be going to Photoshop for the things that Aperture is not designed to do like compositing and hi-end retouching
The only work around is to export the master then open it in ACR, but that workflow would be senseless.
Honestly, if you prefer ACR, then you should be using Bridge or Lightroom for DAM as well.
DLS

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LR can send an image (or images) from LR to Photoshop by rendering them in ACR.
Sure, it can subcontract the job and passing images to HDR within PS is an Adobe-scripted example of that. However it is AFAICT an arbitrary design decision, that it must be ACR which performs the conversion in these interactions; rather than (as various third-party utilities already do) getting LR to do this part via external files.
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Lightroom only gets stronger the more ways you can use it with other software, and while a "forced" upgrade of PS merely due to ACR considerations may be tolerated when ACR is central to your workflow, this is more likely to be resented when it is LR which is central, and the ACR question intrudes only peripherally. In that case people may settle unhappily for some clunky workaround (toward which Adobe have simply been unhelpful, in their insistence on ACR parity as the sole solution).

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I am using 16bit Cinema DNG files and the source settings sliders really aren't doing it for me (notice the pink highlights)
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Hi Ekombokom,
ekombokom wrote:
Hello! I too am having this same problem. I used Camera Raw (both in Bridge and Photoshop to make sure) to adjust and correct the Cinema DNG files I shot with my BMPCC; however, the video sequence in Premiere does not reflect any of the changes made. Why would Adobe not support Camera Raw settings in Premiere?
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ekombokom wrote:
Camera Raw is an amazing tool for refining an image and gives me the best results compared to SG and Davinci. I was so excited to be able to use it once Premiere supported CinemaDNGs but now I'm confused as to why it's not supported.
Cinema DNG from the Blackmagic Cameras are supported, you just adjust settings in Source Settings, as I mentioned. Have you tried that? The reasoning behind this is that Cinema DNG video coming from camera raw is too difficult to playback and edit with.
That said, some users bring Cinema DNG footage to After Effects, adjust the video there, then render out files that are suitable to edit with.
ekombokom wrote:
I thought the point of using Adobe was that all their products worked together seamlessly? I really hope they fix this.
You can always make a request here: http://adobe.ly/feature_request, however, I don't see a camera raw importer going into Premiere Pro any time soon (if ever) because of the reasons I previously mentioned (editing with camera raw would be too cumbersome). I think the more realistic feature request would be to add more controls in Source Settings.
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Time - setting up a hot folder takes about ten minutes, and I'd never done one before. On the other hand I know my way around Automator etc., as should anyone dealing with large numbers of images. Most of the extra steps are to bring the converted file back into Aperture, automatically linked with the RAW file as a version.
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Probably not going to happen.
I agree, Canon's color is better than Adobe's in general - I just didn't know how good the Camera Standard profile might be for your particular camera. I had hoped maybe they'd made it a very close match.
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buttermaker wrote:
Please tell me I'm missing a checkbox somewhere... Thanks.
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Camera Raw-compatible Adobe applications
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