Using Aperture 3.03 with a Drobo

I recently got Aperture 3 and imported my iPhoto into it (14,000 images 70 GIG). I chose to move the images into the Aperture library which by default built itself on the internal drive of my Macbook Pro based 'server'. (OS 10.6.4, 4 gig ram)
Once it was all working, I copied the whole Aperture Library to a 3 x 1 TB Drobo connected via FW800 with the notion that from then on I would add images straight to the Drobo so that the Masters and edits etc etc were all inherently redundantly protected. (my movies , iTunes Library are also in the Drobo and work fine). This way the internal server drive is just an OS ... if /when it dies it's easy to replace and the Drobo gives me lots of space plus room to grow!
Anyway, I opened the Drobo Library in Aperture and although it was slow, it worked. I scanned Faces, organized, made folders etc ... all fine. There were a couple of worrying pauses with a beach ball .... but on the whole it seemed a good way to keep my imaged safe without the endless backups of the past.
Just to confirm all my images made it over to the Drobo, I reopened the original library on the server drive. Looked like nothing was missed .... in the end I was going to delete it. But not yet.
Then I reopened the Drobo Library ... a message appeared saying Library File cannot be opened. Uh Oh. So I shut down the mac and rebooted.
Kernel Panic. Ouch.
More testing : the server was fine (booted from another boot drive), the Drobo was fine (connected and worked on another computer), server drive ... well it also Kernel Panicked another machine so it had failed right?
Not so fast ... every diagnostic test (surface scans, controller etc etc) says it's fine. So I reformatted it, reinstalled OS 10. 6. 4 and it's been running fine for over a week ... serving movies and music from the Drobo perfectly. I haven't even tried to reopen the Drobo Aperture Library again... yet.
I can't help feel that the Aperture / Drobo combination had a hand in this mess. I've searched here and seen older Drobo issues, but can anyone tell me a way they are doing this currently that works? If I'm flogging a dead horse by locating the whole library externally (though I can't see why it would be a problem) let me know!
I see others have put their Masters on an external and the Library on an internal. I have them both externally right now (on the Drobo) is there a way to move the Library back to the internal, leaving the Masters on the Drobo?
Learning curves.... what fun
Best
Lee

Thanks Allen
I tried reopening the Aperture Library on the Drobo again .... same message. File cannot be opened. So I tried to repair the Library as described in the manual. All repair/rebuilding options just resulted in a day of spinning beachballs ... no progress at all!
Wow, I can't believe that a Drobo could combine with Aperture to wreak such havoc! Of course I have several copies of my original iPhoto Library so I'm re-importing it to the server's internal drive.
Do you think I could safely point Aperture's Vault to the Drobo as a back up? Or is that problematic too?
And, if the server drive died, could a fresh install of Aperture really reconstruct the entire library from a Vault? The manual makes it sound easy enough, but it only took me 48 hours to completely hose an entire Aperture Library even after reading the docs! I don't fancy reading about "Vault errors" with all my photos at stake!
Of course I'll hang onto the original iPhoto Library .... but new imports into Aperture worry me now. It's frustrating that a Pro App (?) seems to have core stability/corruption vulnerabilities. I used iPhoto for over 8 years without a hitch ... and it isn't meant to be "Pro".
I just want one Library in one place that I can import images into and have reasonable confidence in it's integrity without having to constantly clone files for back up, or worry about whether a back up will actually restore in 3 years, or if the backup actually happened .........
Does anyone know if Aperture deals better with a hardware RAID 5 over Firewire? Is it specifically the DROBO at fault here?
Thanks
Lee

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