Using Aperture to proof for the web

Hi friends,
I work with photos almost exclusively to publish on the web. I was hoping to use Aperture to speed up my workflow without taking every image through Photoshop. However, it appears to me that Aperture doesn't do much to successfully proof for browser display. I'm wondering if anyone can correct me.
Normally, in order to get an idea of how washed-out images will look on the web after being saved out as sRGB, I soft-proof for "Monitor RGB" using Photoshop, and edit accordingly. My hope was that I could use Aperture's 2-up view to compare the original image, without media proofing, to an adjusted image with soft proofing on and set to something like Monitor (so as to try and get the web-bound image close to how it looked out of the camera, plus desired adjustments). However, enabling proofing in Aperture, using all sorts of different profiles, doesn't seem to perceptibly change the image at all.
Naturally, photo representation is far from reliable on different browsers and different monitors, however I have found for my purposes that working under soft proofed conditions provides the most predictable result. Would anymore be willing to share their Aperture workflow for getting images onto the web without too much degradation?

My monitor is calibrated. My workflow consists of:
Export to JPEG/SRGB and upload to web. Seriously, I've never noticed any noticeable color shift. And if you're "presenting" on the web, it's a crap shoot anyway unless you are guaranteeing everyone viewing the photos will be viewing on a calibrated monitor.
Aperture's proofing does shift colors if you use a target that is a print target (e.g. when I use a profile for my Epson 3800 Premium Luster paper, there is a noticeable blue to purple shift). With some extreme output targets, you can get definite posterization as well. It does something, but I don't know if for "sRGB" it's going to make that large of a perceptible difference.

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