Using clips with varying frame rates

Hi,
I've been looking around but have not quite found the answer to this, or the discussions are a bit more advanced than my skills...
I've just done a major leap from CS2 to CS6 so I am having to do a lot of relearning.
I just did a mulit-camera shoot for a kayaking documentary, and being low-budget, had to take what I can get camera-wise. Therefore, I have footage from my Sony AVCHD cam at 50fps, DLSR, Contour cam and Go-Pro footage at 29.97, and more DSLR at 25. All of it is 1920 x 1080. And of course, they all come as different file types: .m2ts; .mov; .mp4.
What is the best way to handle this? Do I set up the project at 50fps and reinterpret the other footage? Can I just edit the whole thing natively and then export it? What are the hurdles I will encounter? My intention is to cut a trailer for funding and post to the web, but if all goes well this will need to be exported for screening at festivals, so I really need to be set up for the highest quality possible from the start.
FYI: I'm shooting at 50fps with the Sony as it is doing a lot of hand-held following paddlers and I intend to slow it down, both half speed, and possible slower with Timewarp.
Thank you very much for your thoughts.
Regards,
Bill

I don't use more than one type of video at a time, but read up on sequences
Please NOTE that the PPro CS6 screen may look a bit different (I use CS5)
For CS5 and later, the easy way to insure that your video and your project match
See 2nd post for picture of NEW ITEM process http://forums.adobe.com/thread/872666
-and a FAQ on sequence setting http://forums.adobe.com/message/3804341

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Once you establish the sequence frame rate - lets say it is PAL material at 25fps, any material that you drop into the sequence other than 25 fps will have to be changed to play at 25 fps. If the material you add is NTSC (29.97), FCP will DROP 5 frames per sec to bring the frame rate down to 25 fps. Which 5 get thrown away? Every 6th one. This yields a funky cadence that becomes even more complex as as there are also interlaced fields (DV/NTSC is an interlaced format). Oh, and by the way, the image sizes are different as well. DV/PAL has 576 lines of resolution and DV/NTSC has 480. FCP has to scale up the NTSC to fit the PAL frame.
You do not want FCP adjusting these things on the fly. You want to do a thoughtful (and time consuming) conversion so that you end up with all your material in one format with the best possible image from the conversion process. Compressor can do an adequate job with Frame Controls turned on. The Natress Standards Conversion FCP plugin is another way to go. A third option is to find a post house that can do the conversion for you using a hardware based process.
The good news is, once everything is in the same format, editing it will be painless and the output process very quick.
Whatever frame rate/ image size you select, I'd suggest using ProRes for the codec. It is 4:2:2 color and will withstand color correction and composting with much more grace than any variant of DV based codecs.
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Hey everyone,
I am working with AVCHD footage with a frame rate of 25.
If it drop my footage into a new compostion after affects sets everything
up automatically.
I'd now like to what happens to my avchd clip if I change the frame rate
of my compostion from 25 to 24. What excatly happens to the frame
missing? Does AE just gets rid of it?
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Alex
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Thank you for your reply - over the past few days I have been able to
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806.791.6329
From:   Chinmay Baid <[email protected]>
To:     Daniel Spray <[email protected]>
Date:   03/03/2011 05:09 AM
Subject:        Why do I get "Publish
Failed" when I select F4V with fixed frame rate?
Hi,
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I'm getting 30 seconds of latency (between source video and
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Odd behavior: when switching from, say, 29.97 to 1.00 fps, I
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Occassionally I take a rather long video and a significant portion of it has no value to the final project. I am aware there is a way to only import parts of the clip directly from the computer, but as I understand it the file will end up on my internal hard drive. I would prefer to keep all of my clips on an external drive.
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1. You understand wrongly. The imported media goes to whichever drive you designate. The file exports in whatever frame rate the project is. If you're trying to create slomo with your 60p media you edit in a 30p project. That's what you export. You can edit in a 60p project but that would defeat the purpose of bring able to confirm the video for slomo.
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Hey all, my lack of attention to detail may have cost me hours. I have a movie I am working on and made the stupid assumption that all my clips are the same frame rate. Don't ask why I didn't check - just sheer stupidity.
So now I have numerous clips in the storyline all meticulously edited to sync with other clips, music, the whole nine. Some source clips are 24p while others are 60i. Do I really have to go back and convert each clip individually? I am looking to preserve quality as much as possible, and I know getting 60i to 24p will create some loss, but is there a nice and easy way to do the converting all at once after I complete the storyline?
Thanks in advance. Time to go do something else while I wait for answers...

on playback inside FCPX.
And on export.
you'll notice in the 'Retime Menu' the Option 'Conform Speed' - eg, when I add a 60p clip to my 25p Project, I get a wonderful smooth slomow, due to the 60fps get 'stretched' to 25fps.
if I don't Conform Speed, the 60p get playbacked - in a 25p pProject! - in real time => no slowmo
How 'good' FCPX does the marvel to down-cascade 60i into 24p ... try yourself.
no interlaced material in use here.
quality is in the eye of the beholder ...

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Hi- I unfortunately am dealing with a project where I'm dealing with potentially 3 different frame rates. I have some shot at 29.97ndf, some HDV captured using 1080i60 and some P2s converted for FCP and are at 23.98.
I understand that FCP 6 can handle different frame rates in the same timeline, so... are all these different rates something I need to be concerned with? I'll need to cut these together into a single montage and my end product will be a DVD.
Thanks for your help.
Robert

Thank you guys. Any specific ProRes? (there are so many of them). So... does this mean when I render it at 29.97 for NTSC all the 23.98 footage is going to get speed up like chipmunks?
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I'm using Premiere Pro CS6 and CC, in Windows 8.
I bought an AverMedia Live Gamer HD card to capture 1080p footage with, and the the videos it produces work perfectly during playback. No sync issues whatsoever. I'm saving them as MP4 at 30fps.
The problem is when I import them into Premiere Pro, the audio loses sync at certain points. After a bit of digging, I've discovered that the videos have a variable frame rate, which Premiere Pro does not support. I don't know why, considering competing products that are significantly cheaper can handle them with a problem, but oh well. The capture card can also save videos in .TS format, which produces a constant frame rate, however when I import them into Premire Pro the sync is immediately off by a second or more. I assume this is for an entirely different reason. Again, they play back normally without a problem. Upon emailing AverMedia, I was told this was Adobe's problem and there was nothing they could do about it.
What I'm wondering is if there is any sort of realistic solution to this as of now. Is there any way that Premiere can work properly with files that have a variable frame rate? If not, is this being worked on?
Or maybe there's a way to get the .TS files back in sync, that way the variable frame rate issue doesn't matter anyway.
Converting the files is not a long term solution. I'm working with hours and hours of HD video, and it would take way too much time to do this.
Manually resyncing the audio is also not a solution. Again, this would just be way too much wasted time with each project.
The only solution I see as of now is to switch to Sony Vegas until this problem is resolved in Premiere, if it ever is. I'm really hoping there is some other way, so if anyone has an idea as to how to fix this, I'd really appreciate it.
Thank you.
tl/dr:
Is there any way to get around Premiere Pro not working with variable framerates? My .TS files are also out of sync, is there any way to fix that? Without converting or manually resyncing.

>If not, is this being worked on?
Discussed many times before... never a "yes" answer to your question... tell Adobe what YOU want at https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
If enough people make a request, Adobe MAY add the feature (I don't work for Adobe, so no guarantee of anything)

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